[Melvin]

Yeah you guys are moving the comic book discussion here.

Just to kick things off, DC vs. Marvel. Go.

[Apocalypse]

Clearly Marvel. Not much of a discussion. I think a mod should close this thread because this post is all that will ever need to be said.

[Plazmataz]

DC rapes Marvel in the fracking face.

[Melvin]

Care to offer evidence to back up your claims?

[Apocalypse]

1. DC sucks.
2. Marvel is awesome.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='Melvin' post='695122' date='Jan 10 2009, 12:25 AM']Care to offer evidence to back up your claims?[/quote]

YES.

Whenever DC wants to do something cool, they just make it happen, and they go to great lengths to do so. Marvel just changes everything and makes a new universe to accommodate their stupid fantasies. "Hey, let's turn all of our heroes into, like, zombies." "Sounds good! Zombie universe coming right up!"

[Apocalypse]

Um. Wrong. While we do have those ONE SHOT crossover series like Marvel Zombies, Marvel has awesome crossover junk. Secret Wars, Secret Invasion, Civil War...
Plus we just have a better (and I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAY better) lineup. Our heroes > your heroes.

Also, Darkhorse comics are awesome and you left them out.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695129' date='Jan 10 2009, 12:35 AM']Um. Wrong. While we do have those ONE SHOT crossover series like Marvel Zombies, Marvel has awesome crossover junk. Secret Wars, Secret Invasion, Civil War...
Plus we just have a better (and I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAY better) lineup. Our heroes > your heroes.

Also, Darkhorse comics are awesome and you left them out.[/quote]

Forget Darkhorse, they're not part of this equation.

And no, your hero lineup is boring. The excuses for the superpowers are always really lame and silly. It's either radiation, mutation, or magic. DC is far more epic in this department. "I'm a phloxing Amazon." "I'm technically human, but I was inducted into a secret alien organization whose job is to defend the galaxy against evil, and I was given an ancient artifact that utilizes alien technologies to give me the powers of a god." All Marvel can come up with here is, "Um... I was exposed to radiation?"

[Apocalypse]

[quote name='Plazmataz' post='695131' date='Jan 10 2009, 12:42 AM']Forget Darkhorse, they're not part of this equation.

And no, your hero lineup is boring. The excuses for the superpowers are always really lame and silly. It's either radiation, mutation, or magic. DC is far more epic in this department. "I'm a phloxing Amazon." "I'm technically human, but I was inducted into a secret alien organization whose job is to defend the galaxy against evil, and I was given an ancient artifact that utilizes alien technologies to give me the powers of a god." All Marvel can come up with here is, "Um... I was exposed to radiation?"[/quote]
I shan't forget them because they're awesome.

The differences between you and me, Clark, is that I don't go around making wild accusations at DC for being silly and ridiculous, blatantly ignoring the examples from the company I lend my support to which exemplify that which I was just criticizing and failing to understand THAT THEY'RE JUST COMIC BOOKS.
Same thing with the latest Indiana Jones movie. You can suspend your disbelief for some wierd alien whose powers come from the sun or some lame phlox like that but you can't believe some type of advanced radiation can give a person powers?
And once again, your blaring lack of knowledge for Marvel really can't justify such wild accusations. You clearly chose to ignore everything but the what, two heroes that were irradiated for their powers, only to make your point? I could offer countless back stories that are just as "original" as your examples, but the fact of the matter remains that they're all phloxing comic book origins.
"I'm technically human, but I was inducted into a secret alien organization whose job is to defend the galaxy against evil, and I was given an ancient artifact that utilizes alien technologies to give me the powers of a god."
How the hell is that more realistic than a super-advanced suit of armor? Or a chemical serum designed to transform soldiers into super humans? Or the next level of genetic mutation?

This post has been edited by Apocalypse: 10 January 2009 - 12:49 AM

[Melvin]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695136' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:49 AM']"I'm technically human, but I was inducted into a secret alien organization whose job is to defend the galaxy against evil, and I was given an ancient artifact that utilizes alien technologies to give me the powers of a god."[/quote]
The thing is, we can prove radiation kills you, but we can't prove that the Green Lantern's ring does something totally other than what comic books say it does.

The flaw is that Bruce Banner, if hit with enough gamma radiation to constitute a Radiological Dispersion Device, would have died, not gained superpowers, through any stretch of the imagination.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695136' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:49 AM']I shan't forget them because they're awesome.

The differences between you and me, Clark, is that I don't go around making wild accusations at DC for being silly and ridiculous, blatantly ignoring the examples from the company I lend my support to which exemplify that which I was just criticizing and failing to understand THAT THEY'RE JUST COMIC BOOKS.
Same thing with the latest Indiana Jones movie. You can suspend your disbelief for some wierd alien whose powers come from the sun or some lame phlox like that but you can't believe some type of advanced radiation can give a person powers?
And once again, your blaring lack of knowledge for Marvel really can't justify such wild accusations. You clearly chose to ignore everything but the what, two heroes that were irradiated for their powers, only to make your point? I could offer countless back stories that are just as "original" as your examples, but the fact of the matter remains that they're all phloxing comic book origins.
"I'm technically human, but I was inducted into a secret alien organization whose job is to defend the galaxy against evil, and I was given an ancient artifact that utilizes alien technologies to give me the powers of a god."
How the hell is that more realistic than a super-advanced suit of armor? Or a chemical serum designed to transform soldiers into super humans? Or the next level of genetic mutation?[/quote]

Realistic doesn't concern me. I never once said, "realistic," in my last post post. What I did say, though, was "epic." That is what I am concerned with, my friend.

[Apocalypse]

Than shut yo mouth, because we's way more epic than you.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695149' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:55 AM']Than shut yo mouth, because we's way more epic than you.[/quote]

Come on, I wanna make this into a debate of epic proportions. Please humor me, and offer a legitimate rebuttal.

[poko]

[quote name='Plazmataz' post='695127' date='Jan 9 2009, 11:30 PM']YES.

Whenever DC wants to do something cool, they just make it happen, and they go to great lengths to do so. Marvel just changes everything and makes a new universe to accommodate their stupid fantasies. "Hey, let's turn all of our heroes into, like, zombies." "Sounds good! Zombie universe coming right up!"[/quote]
What bugs me about Marvel are the characters. They aren't just archetypes, they live in the real world and are more bound by that reality. So there is all this extra real world melodrama which is fine except the characters have been having real world melodrama since their inception in, like, the 60's. Their back story becomes ridiculously riddled with marriage, divorce, affairs... and if you read [i]any[/i] Marvel character's backstory on Wikipedia they come across as an indecisive, emotionally immature phloxhole. Realistic, perhaps, but hard to root for.

While in the DC universe all that real world stuff is meaningless. Superman has been around since the 30's but all that really matters is he's from Krypton, he grew up in Kansas, he pretends to be a nerdy human reporter at the daily planet and he loves Lois Lane, a smart chick who busts balls as a hobby. Batman is even simpler. Rich angsty billionaire with dead parents, a butler and an active interest in young boys. It isn't about the real world so the details aren't as important and can be reinvented without the need of whole new universes or pesky time frames. This allows great authors to come out and tell amazing epic stories that speak deeply about the human condition without worrying about petty details.

I would now like to flip that coin and say that veil of realism and depth of character are what makes Marvel movies better... until the 3rd one.

I agree that Darkhorse is awesome. Art could be better but they have people like Whedon.

This post has been edited by poko: 10 January 2009 - 01:01 AM

[Apocalypse]

There is no legitimate rebuttal to be had. I called the fail of this thread early on. We each clearly have different tastes and as such we cling to the companies that offer us what we want. Or maybe they just got to you first. Either way, there's nothing I can say other than "IRON MAN COULD KICK BATMAN'S ASS COME ON HE'D BE ALL LIKE PEWPEW" because a Marvel vs. DC discussion between a Marvel fan and a DC fan will result in what is strikingly similiar to two gorillas beating their chests and roaring at each other.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='poko' post='695157' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:59 AM']What bugs me about Marvel are the characters. They aren't just archetypes, they live in the real world and are more bound by that reality. So there is all this extra real world melodrama which is fine except the characters have been having real world melodrama since their inception in, like, the 60's. Their back story becomes ridiculously riddled with marriage, divorce, affairs... and if you read [i]any[/i] Marvel character's backstory on Wikipedia they come across as an indecisive, emotionally immature phloxhole. Realistic, perhaps, but hard to root for.

While in the DC universe all that real world stuff is meaningless. Superman has been around since the 30's but all that really matters is he's from Krypton, he grew up in Kansas, he pretends to be a nerdy human reporter at the daily planet and he loves Lois Lane, a smart chick who busts balls as a hobby. Batman is even simpler. Rich angsty billionaire with dead parents, a butler and an active interest in young boys. It isn't about the real world so the details aren't as important and can be reinvented without the need of whole new universes or pesky time frames. This allows great authors to come out and tell amazing epic stories that speak deeply about the human condition without worrying about petty details.[/quote]

Hear, hear!

[Apocalypse]

[quote name='poko' post='695157' date='Jan 10 2009, 12:59 AM']What bugs me about Marvel are the characters. They aren't just archetypes, they live in the real world and are more bound by that reality. So there is all this extra real world melodrama which is fine except the characters have been having real world melodrama since their inception in, like, the 60's. Their back story becomes ridiculously riddled with marriage, divorce, affairs... and if you read [i]any[/i] Marvel character's backstory on Wikipedia they come across as an indecisive, emotionally immature phloxhole. Realistic, perhaps, but hard to root for.

I would now like to flip that coin and say that veil of realism and depth of character are what makes Marvel movies better... until the 3rd one. [/quote]
I like the realism. The reason I love Deadpool so much is because he's as screwed up as I am, and an interesting and funny character to boot.

And you shut up.

[Plazmataz]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695164' date='Jan 10 2009, 02:01 AM']There is no legitimate rebuttal to be had. I called the fail of this thread early on. We each clearly have different tastes and as such we cling to the companies that offer us what we want. Or maybe they just got to you first. Either way, there's nothing I can say other than "IRON MAN COULD KICK BATMAN'S ASS COME ON HE'D BE ALL LIKE PEWPEW" because a Marvel vs. DC discussion between a Marvel fan and a DC fan will result in what is strikingly similiar to two gorillas beating their chests and roaring at each other.[/quote]

And this is bad why?

[Apocalypse]

I would actually argue that the make of Marvel's characters offer them a greater opportunity to tell stories that hit more along the lines of the human condition.
My evidence? Civil War.
That was brutal to read because it brought so many icons low in a display of what it means to be human. The most stunning example was Captain America's death.
I could offer countless more examples. Everyone was effected. It was terrible and a tragedy, but it was worth it much in the same way a tragedy like Oedipus Rex is worth it... for the catharsis, and because it's a damn good story with damn good characters.

[quote name='Plazmataz' post='695169' date='Jan 10 2009, 01:03 AM']And this is bad why?[/quote]
Because it's the following.
"Marvel's better."
"Nope. DC."
To the tune of endless variations.

[Melvin]

[quote name='Apocalypse' post='695164' date='Jan 10 2009, 02:01 AM']There is no legitimate rebuttal to be had. I called the fail of this thread early on. We each clearly have different tastes and as such we cling to the companies that offer us what we want. Or maybe they just got to you first. Either way, there's nothing I can say other than "IRON MAN COULD KICK BATMAN'S ASS COME ON HE'D BE ALL LIKE PEWPEW" because a Marvel vs. DC discussion between a Marvel fan and a DC fan will result in what is strikingly similiar to two gorillas beating their chests and roaring at each other.[/quote]
Could Iron Man beat Batman?