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I have strongly felt that Obi-Wan could have taken Vader. But was his death really needed. In my opinion he should have stayed around long enough to properly train Luke , replies are welcome.
The Death of Obi-Wan Kenobi Was it necessary?
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 05:11 PM
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 05:16 PM
Vader was more powerful than Obi-wan, I doubt he could take him.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 05:21 PM
well i think yoda could at least. for being over 800 years old look how fast that little guy can move.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 05:28 PM
Yoda as a puppet no, Yoda as CGI(like in EPisode 2 and 3) yes.
However Dooku managed to hold off yoda, and Anakin is way stronger than Dooku. Though Dooku ran at the end
However Dooku managed to hold off yoda, and Anakin is way stronger than Dooku. Though Dooku ran at the end
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 06:13 PM
I'm really looking forward to Wednesday night at midnight 
but I can't say it brings an end as Lucas told us he is developing a live action tv show while he was here during C3 he hinted that the tv show would be between ep2 and ep3 timeframe.
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but I can't say it brings an end as Lucas told us he is developing a live action tv show while he was here during C3 he hinted that the tv show would be between ep2 and ep3 timeframe.Rusty
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 06:14 PM
Well Star Wars has made billions...it has a lot of merchandise /video games/ books, etc. Even without those 2 new TV series, SW would still survive.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 10:24 PM
starbaseindy, on May 15 2005, 03:16 PM, said:
oh i agree totally, celebration III was supposed to be the final SW convention but there are talks already for a celebration IIII
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You mean Celebration IV."IIII" is an incorrect use of roman numerals.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 10:03 AM
Shogun of Truth, on May 15 2005, 09:24 PM, said:
You mean Celebration IV."IIII" is an incorrect use of roman numerals.
Actually, it's not. IIII and IV are both acceptable traditional Roman numerals for 4. In fact, on clocks, you're supposed to use "IIII:"
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 03:49 AM
Cougar, on May 16 2005, 12:07 AM, said:
Vader was more powerful than Obi-wan, I doubt he could take him.
While i can't explain if Obi Wan was stronger or not i can only speculate... while Luke was training something made Obi Wan feel dizzy... that was the entire planet being destroyed and millions of people being killed... I suspect that while the Sith feed their strenght by suffering of others the Jedi are weakened by the pain of others... Remember, the Sith only think of themselves and care for noone else while the Jedi were selfless, carring deeply for the others and helping if they could...
Also, in the third part Obi Wan said that he couldn't kill his own brother as he named Anakin. Even as he was standing near the almost completely dissembodied Anakin he still had the pity that stalled his saber and he after his whining speech left to depart from the planet leaving Vader alone so he was rescued and remade into what later "killed" Obi wan... but Obi allready knew the secret of immortality that he learned from his mentor who also lived in the force...
He could therefore be there for Luke and eventually tell him about his sister.
Obi Wan could have killed Darth vader before he could be transformed into mechanical Sith lord. He chose not to.
I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ned 'wilith...
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Legolas:"Aragorn, nedin dagor hen-ú-erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer."
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 04:57 AM
Obi Wan's death was nessesary, he needed to sacrifice himself to save Luke and the others for their escape. Besides he told Vader" Strike me down, I will only become more powerful". Which he did, he was Luke's guide.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 06:17 AM
jenniferinstars, on Sep 9 2005, 11:48 AM, said:
Obi Wan's death was nessesary, he needed to sacrifice himself to save Luke and the others for their escape. Besides he told Vader" Strike me down, I will only become more powerful". Which he did, he was Luke's guide.
Of course, his plan was not to escape and even Vader knew it.
He lowered his guard to LET Vader kill him. In a way it could be said it was a rational transaction... one life to save milions. His death had in the long term the consequence of the empire loosing both the deathstars and the war.
I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ned 'wilith...
Olórin (Gandalf): Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Legolas:"Boe a hyn... Neled herein - dan caer menig."
Aragorn:"Si, beriathar hyn ammaeg na ned Edoras."
Legolas:"Aragorn, nedin dagor hen-ú-erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer."
Aragorn:"Then i shall die as one of them!"
Lle quena i'lambe tel' Eldalie? (Do you speak Elvish?)
Olórin (Gandalf): Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Legolas:"Boe a hyn... Neled herein - dan caer menig."
Aragorn:"Si, beriathar hyn ammaeg na ned Edoras."
Legolas:"Aragorn, nedin dagor hen-ú-erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer."
Aragorn:"Then i shall die as one of them!"
Lle quena i'lambe tel' Eldalie? (Do you speak Elvish?)
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 02:51 PM
Qim Kwann, on Sep 9 2005, 04:40 AM, said:
While i can't explain if Obi Wan was stronger or not i can only speculate... while Luke was training something made Obi Wan feel dizzy... that was the entire planet being destroyed and millions of people being killed... I suspect that while the Sith feed their strenght by suffering of others the Jedi are weakened by the pain of others... Remember, the Sith only think of themselves and care for noone else while the Jedi were selfless, carring deeply for the others and helping if they could...
Also, in the third part Obi Wan said that he couldn't kill his own brother as he named Anakin. Even as he was standing near the almost completely dissembodied Anakin he still had the pity that stalled his saber and he after his whining speech left to depart from the planet leaving Vader alone so he was rescued and remade into what later "killed" Obi wan... but Obi allready knew the secret of immortality that he learned from his mentor who also lived in the force...
He could therefore be there for Luke and eventually tell him about his sister.
Obi Wan could have killed Darth vader before he could be transformed into mechanical Sith lord. He chose not to.
Also, in the third part Obi Wan said that he couldn't kill his own brother as he named Anakin. Even as he was standing near the almost completely dissembodied Anakin he still had the pity that stalled his saber and he after his whining speech left to depart from the planet leaving Vader alone so he was rescued and remade into what later "killed" Obi wan... but Obi allready knew the secret of immortality that he learned from his mentor who also lived in the force...
He could therefore be there for Luke and eventually tell him about his sister.
Obi Wan could have killed Darth vader before he could be transformed into mechanical Sith lord. He chose not to.
Obi-wan is very strong but Anakin before turning into Vader could beat him. The reason why Anakin lost was because of his overconfidence, his power was so much that he couldn't control it. Plus Obi-wan luckily had the high ground...and that's where Anakin misjudged Obi-wan and thought he could take him from the platform.
The only jedi stronger than Obi-wan are Mace Windu and Yoda, well that's pretty much true but it theoretical.
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Posted 09 September 2005 - 03:22 PM
Yes, well... Just like Count Dooku said... Twice the strenght, double the fool.
Anakin's arrogance and overconfidence was what brought him down.
Anakin's arrogance and overconfidence was what brought him down.
I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ned 'wilith...
Olórin (Gandalf): Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Legolas:"Boe a hyn... Neled herein - dan caer menig."
Aragorn:"Si, beriathar hyn ammaeg na ned Edoras."
Legolas:"Aragorn, nedin dagor hen-ú-erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer."
Aragorn:"Then i shall die as one of them!"
Lle quena i'lambe tel' Eldalie? (Do you speak Elvish?)
Olórin (Gandalf): Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!
Legolas:"Boe a hyn... Neled herein - dan caer menig."
Aragorn:"Si, beriathar hyn ammaeg na ned Edoras."
Legolas:"Aragorn, nedin dagor hen-ú-erir ortheri. Natha daged dhaer."
Aragorn:"Then i shall die as one of them!"
Lle quena i'lambe tel' Eldalie? (Do you speak Elvish?)
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:16 PM
SirPhilip86, on May 16 2005, 12:11 AM, said:
I have strongly felt that Obi-Wan could have taken Vader. But was his death really needed. In my opinion he should have stayed around long enough to properly train Luke , replies are welcome.
Vader was 'upgraded version'. Don't think Obi-1 could of beaten him.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 03:07 PM
Obi Wan didn't have to die (and he didn't really) - he ascended to the higher plain-of- Jedi existence - a place from which he could better help Luke, regardless of Luke's physical location or situation (as was demonstrated in the cockpit as Luke attacked the Death Star). That is why he told Darth Vader, before allowing himself to be struck down, that once out of his physical body he would be even more powerful and unable to be defeated by the likes of Vader or any other dark Sith.
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Looks like Obi Wan helped Skywalker a lot more when dead (aka ghost...higher existance) then when alive.
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