[Tmir]

It is blatantly obvious, its almost funny but in comparison to the other candidates; noticed youtube is more favorable to this guy than the others, and google searchs and other engines show more hits searching for him. I havent watched the... is it south carolina? where the debate is at... Can't recall, was reading earlier about it, Perry dropped out and now supporting G-man (spell his name? I can't even pronounce); the adulterer you know who I'm talking about. Then there's Romney, Santorum and Hunstman? Not sure on that last guy. Why does the media support Romney? I don't get this, I thought that was the guy always switching positions and agreeing to tax hikes... Santorum is a republican twit, and I don't think I've even seen any vids of Huntsman speaking...

But yeah that's the question why is this guy non electable?
[I'm a total RP fan, he always paints a nice world... but apparently he's racist?] How do you seperate fact from fiction when it comes to politics? What is complete propaganda? Do you think whoever wins will be Pres? (Not even sure I know the politics right, Obama can run again right? But his support ratings are way down, so nows the republicans chance?)
Do you agree or disagree on the idea that US should stop spending for foreign military efforts (Isn't it like in the trillions?)' but not on defense military. I agree that they should lower the spending... but I guess they are getting their things done; recently- drone killed some al quaeda director.

But yeah how much do you trust your news source?

(I sound like a conspirasist... psh nah just an interest in neighbors South. Canadian Politics are a bore, the only electable party really is the Conservatives, they benefit the laborers... Harper is kind of a puss as well...well spoken, but leftist thinking ... love hate relationship, good tax breaks... )

[Beast Boy]

Sorry what i don't was on forum,because i had been busy home work: i was been clean kitchen.
This was very hard make,because after yesterday party have many dirty dishes.I was wake up today in 11:30 am,make hard coffee with milk,i everyday drink coffee with milk and with sugar,because i don't like bitter taste coffee.
Soon i will be go in shop,because need will be buy food,because coffee was empty.

[trekkin']

I think Beasty had the wrong thread ^^^

[jespah]

Tmir, on 20 January 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

It is blatantly obvious, its almost funny but in comparison to the other candidates; noticed youtube is more favorable to this guy than the others, and google searchs and other engines show more hits searching for him. I havent watched the... is it south carolina? where the debate is at... Can't recall, was reading earlier about it, Perry dropped out and now supporting G-man (spell his name? I can't even pronounce); the adulterer you know who I'm talking about. Then there's Romney, Santorum and Hunstman? Not sure on that last guy. Why does the media support Romney? I don't get this, I thought that was the guy always switching positions and agreeing to tax hikes... Santorum is a republican twit, and I don't think I've even seen any vids of Huntsman speaking...

But yeah that's the question why is this guy non electable?
[I'm a total RP fan, he always paints a nice world... but apparently he's racist?] How do you seperate fact from fiction when it comes to politics? What is complete propaganda? Do you think whoever wins will be Pres? (Not even sure I know the politics right, Obama can run again right? But his support ratings are way down, so nows the republicans chance?)
Do you agree or disagree on the idea that US should stop spending for foreign military efforts (Isn't it like in the trillions?)' but not on defense military. I agree that they should lower the spending... but I guess they are getting their things done; recently- drone killed some al quaeda director.

But yeah how much do you trust your news source?

(I sound like a conspirasist... psh nah just an interest in neighbors South. Canadian Politics are a bore, the only electable party really is the Conservatives, they benefit the laborers... Harper is kind of a puss as well...well spoken, but leftist thinking ... love hate relationship, good tax breaks... )

Huntsman is out of the race so don't worry about him. The guy who Perry just threw his support to is Newt Gingrich. Gingrich was the Speaker of the House for a few years back when. He is on Wife #3 I believe. He just had a kerfuffle whereby wife #2 claimed he told her he wanted an open marriage. Or maybe it was wife #3. He also left wife #2 and dallied with wife #3 while wife #3 had cancer. And, yes, he is running, partly, on a family values platform.

Google Santorum when you get a chance.

Oh and as for Ron Paul having better Google placement, that is mainly due to his organization having been in place for a few years, and they pushed for an online strategy a few years before the others. It can take a while to get what's called a good Google Page Rank. That's more of why he shows up higher than any other reason. It's not necessarily due to merit. He just has a team that's good at getting Google to rank their pages better (that's all totally legal, by the way).

Romney was governor of my state, Massachusetts. He was meh as a governor. He's been doing a lot of work distancing himself from his actual accomplishments while in office because they don't paint a conservative enough picture of him. Massachusetts is a very liberal state, so he swung left to get elected here, and now he's swinging right in order to try to get the Republican nomination, and he will undoubtedly swing more centrist if he gets the Republican nomination. He is mainly seen as the least radical of the Republican candidates. A lot of people see him as being the most electable. That may or may not be correct.

And yes, Obama can run again. We allow two terms for President in the US. Obama is only in his first. Will he be his party's nominee? There is a 99% chance of that, I would say. What is a lot more interesting is whether he retains Joe Biden as his Veep. He does not have to keep Joe. So that is of interest, but that situation is, truly, no race at all. Obama will be the Democratic nominee unless there is a Watergate-style scandal or he reveals he's dying in the next few months.

Do I trust my news sources? Meh, sometimes. I figure it's best to try to look at a spectrum of sources, particularly from more than one country. It can often be interesting to see what other countries think of us.

As for cutting all foreign military spending, that will not happen. A big part of that is how we work with our allies. We do promise them that we will help defend them. Cutting foreign military spending completely, 100%, is probably a horrible idea. Cutting some, though, I can definitely see that. There is waste everywhere, and the military was an untouchable sacred cow for a really long time, never audited and never questioned. A big chunk of every American tax dollar goes to the military. Surely there are areas where there can be some cutting, without making the US or its allies undefended, or impoverishing soldiers or the like. There are other places that can be cut as well. And, by the way, there are problem some areas where there should be more spending - schools, roads, jobs, clean energy - these things aren't free. Cutting military spending isn't likely to cut the average person's tax burden. More likely, the $$ will just get moved around and spent elsewhere.

[trekkin']

*dips toe in water*

I'm not a huge fan of posting in the politics threads, but it looks like friendlies here...for now....

I'm NOT a Republican...so I've been just playing the "who can I mock now?" game with the primaries. BUT, with that said, I really don't see any of these potential candidates beating Obama. They are a rag tag bunch. There is not a strong Republican out there. I'm not super happy with how things are playing out for the Obama admin...What I would like to see it the end to this whole mess. The divisiveness in DC is out of hand.

As far as the military goes. Well...there is no way we can pull out of foreign countries. Sure, we could bring our Troops home...then where do they work? What about the community in which our bases were stationed in these countries? Our Big American Dollar is their economy. We do good things things around the world that no one knows about. My friend did a tour in Djibouti Africa where her mission was to vaccinate farm animals. The people there were so happy, they brought presents to the troops. They couldn't love them enough. So...for all the badness that the military can create around the world, we are also a stabilizing force around the world. Cuts can be made...and redesigned trade agreements and cost sharing with foreign nations can be achieved. A lot of the poverty in the world is exacerbated by poor trade agreements and loads of CRAP attached to aid. Our military needs to function and Isolationism is a long since dismissed idea.

Canada...what is so boring?? You guys are all so.......nice....... *old winkie*

[sevnson_71]

@%&#! Liberal media!

But yeah you think Paul is being censored? How about Fmr Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer? Who?! Exactly. He's been blackballed from ALL the debates thus far.

[ensign edwards]

I'm with trekkin' on this one -- as usual, I suppose. Obama's been a pretty disappointing leader, and it's the Republicans' election to lose, but somehow, I still think think they're gonna pull it off. Romney is the only one that strikes me as having a snowball's chance in hell of being elected in the general election, as the others are just way too radical and (in some cases) bogged down with personal baggage. Like Gingrich's habit of banging other women while his wives are cripplingly ill, or what happens when you Google Santorum. But he's not nearly radical enough to stir up passionate support from the Republican base.

They sort of painted themselves into a corner this time around.

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Canada...what is so boring?? You guys are all so.......nice....... *old winkie*

You wouldn't call us nice if you knew what Canadian politics had been like the last decade or so.

[jespah]

There is a very different kind of work that goes into getting Primary votes versus getting votes in the general election. And I think that's where there's a problem, and not on one side or another. A candidate falls all over him or herself being as radical as possible, pandering to as much of the party base as possible, in order to get Primary votes. Enough Primary votes, and there's no floor fight at the convention and, boom, you're the candidate!

And then for a few months between the convention and Election Day, you need to swing back toward the center in order to appeal to Independents, crossovers, what used to be called Reagan Democrats, etc., generally these are people who might be conservative in one area (say, fiscally), but more liberal in another area (say, socially). It is a tough game to pull off, and these days you've gotta be mega-conservative (for example) in order to capture Republican Primary voters. Huntsman was completely lost in the shuffle because of that. Newt, Santorum and possibly even Ron Paul appeal more to party true believers but they are going to have to do some serious retooling if they want to pick up the centrist base. Sometimes candidates try to "fix" this by tossing in a VP choice who is somewhat different from them, but the danger there is that, what happens if the VP ends up in power (it has happened several times, even in the last 100 years - Harding, Roosevelt and Kennedy all died in office; Reagan nearly did; and Nixon resigned)? Then you can end up with someone who no one voted for, who is rather different from the person elected to the Presidency. People like to make fun of the VP, but that person really is only a heartbeat away from the office, and should be a consideration to voters, although I'd say not as big a consideration as the actual Presidential candidate.

[Ezri Dax]

I do not mind Ron Paul. His ideas, they were great in the 19th century. Still, I like to go to college then only 1 percent of the 19th century population. I do not want to feel I have to have 4 or more children because of the death rates. Recall, during the 19th century the death rates were higher for people under the age of 21. And recall, at the turn of the 20th century, if you were a white male you live to be around 45. Why do people want to be less educated, have a shorter lifespan, and women needing to produce more children just to keep the population stable.

Recall, a Neanderthal had zero federal taxes, zero state taxes, and zero local taxes. If you see one, shake hands with him and ask what cave he came from.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

jespah, on 20 January 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Do I trust my news sources? Meh, sometimes. I figure it's best to try to look at a spectrum of sources, particularly from more than one country. It can often be interesting to see what other countries think of us.

I should think it is vital to see what other countries think of America! Too many Americans - especially Republicans - think the rest of the world doesn't matter, or is subordinate.

As for Obama, has he really been a disappointment? Or have Liberals bought far too heavily into the idea that he should be superhuman and be able to transcend the American political system? I've duked it out with US Liberals (mostly older men whose time ifslong past) who regard themselves as "Radical" and often supported the Occupy movement, who have railed against Obama because he didn't make their desire for a pseudo-socialist system for American economics into action. They demand that Obama steers America into no longer supporting Israel. To my mind, their aspirations are as unrealistic and ill-founded as the more outrageous attacks of female reproductive rights by Right-Wingers, but unfortunately it seems as though Obama is going to need to find some way of appeasing these ultra-Liberals - or at least stemming the tide of unreasonable criticism - to retain the support he had in 2008.

These ultra-Liberals seem to have as much of an issue with individual personalities as the ultra-Conservatives, when in fact it is the system of government that prevents any real progress in social, economic, or foreign policy. There was never any way that Obama could get those Healthcare reforms through in the way in which he originally envisaged. Additionally, any radical Liberal who thinks Obama should - or even could - overturn decades of staunch support for Israel when support for Israel and Islamophobia runs rampant in the US after 9/11, is every bit as deluded as any bonkers ultra-Right winger politician denouncing the right of women to control their own reproductive systems, gay marriage, or claiming that there are actually "legitimate" forms of rape.

It is high time that Democrats accepted that having Obama as a candidate is a definitely a glass half-full situation and accept that he wears his underpants inside his trousers - and at least they're those "modest" passion-killers that Mitt Romney is reputed to wear!! Okay, so that's a flippant remark, but Obama seems to retain respect on the International stage in spite of being quite boldly outspoken about Europe. To me that's quite an achievement because we still care what Obama thinks about us, whereas Dubya never gained an ounce of credibility beyond US shores.

This post has been edited by JulesLuvsShinzon: 23 August 2012 - 04:36 AM

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

trekkin, on 20 January 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

*dips toe in water*

I'm not a huge fan of posting in the politics threads, but it looks like friendlies here...for now....

I'm NOT a Republican...so I've been just playing the "who can I mock now?" game with the primaries. BUT, with that said, I really don't see any of these potential candidates beating Obama. They are a rag tag bunch.

Amongst my cabal of Facebookers (from many countries) mocking Republican candidates is a social sport!

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There is not a strong Republican out there. I'm not super happy with how things are playing out for the Obama admin...What I would like to see it the end to this whole mess. The divisiveness in DC is out of hand.

It seems that the divisiveness is what prevents any progress being made at all - and you're not the only US citizen who has expressed this frustration.

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As far as the military goes. Well...there is no way we can pull out of foreign countries. Sure, we could bring our Troops home...then where do they work? What about the community in which our bases were stationed in these countries? Our Big American Dollar is their economy. We do good things things around the world that no one knows about. My friend did a tour in Djibouti Africa where her mission was to vaccinate farm animals. The people there were so happy, they brought presents to the troops. They couldn't love them enough. So...for all the badness that the military can create around the world, we are also a stabilizing force around the world. Cuts can be made...and redesigned trade agreements and cost sharing with foreign nations can be achieved. A lot of the poverty in the world is exacerbated by poor trade agreements and loads of CRAP attached to aid. Our military needs to function and Isolationism is a long since dismissed idea.

Thank you for those insightful comments - we need balance when we consider the actions of any troops in foreign places.

[sevnson_71]

[Post election smartass remark]Bring back the Bull Moose party! Fiscally conservative, socially progressive, anti-corruption. Tell me candidates like that wouldn't get broadbased supportk?[/post election smartass remark]