[THK]

Hi there! I was researching these problems on various Star Trek websites, and ultimately concluded:

1. Spock watching Vulcan's destruction from Delta Vega.
It's VERY possible. How? Because it's NOT the Delta Vega you think about - it's a planet in Vulcan's star system, a neighbor of Vulcan itself, which just happened to be named after that distant same-named world. Delta Vega from TOS is a hot, desert planet, while this one is a freezing cold planet. If we can have two Deneb star systems, why can't we have two Delta Vegas? And what would possibly a young Scotty do all alone on the edge of the galaxy?

2. Constructing the Enterprise on Earth.
Why not? The technology, even in this alternate timeline, is extremely advanced - so we can imagine a few dozen (maybe even hundred) super-powered atmospheric tugs, pulling the beast into the orbit - we just never saw them.

3. Beautiful bridge and industrial engineering.
Well, we could think of it like this: all places aboard the starship where you usually just sit by the consoles or relax (bridge, crew quarters, transporter room, mess hall) are designed more comfortable and aesthetic, while all places where you mostly work and move a lot (engineering, shuttle bay, armory/torpedo bay, maintenance) are designed with much less comfort, but everything is quickly accessible to the engineers: warp reactors, various piping, valves, EPS system, wirings, installations, shuttle repair bays and other technical stuff.

4. Full red matter explosion has the same effect as a drop of it.
We know that a single drop of red matter is enough to create a black hole and consume a planet. But why the effect wasn't extremely stronger when Spock's Jellyfish rams into Narada? Let's have it this way: when the Jellyfish striked Narada, the red matter containment failed, and matter bursted into many little drops. The very first drop that was released in that explosion created a black hole, effectively sucking in all of the remaining red matter.

5. Size of the Enterprise and other starships.
They say that the "official" size of the Enterprise is 725 meters. Well, why not? Remember - it's an ALTERNATE REALITY, and EVERYTHING is modified - so is the starship design. Who knows... Maybe the Enterprise's designer/constructor (who tought of it having only some 350 meters) died aboard the Kelvin? Hehe...

6. Supernova threatening the entire galaxy.
Even that's possible. Which star was it, anyway? Let's presume it was very close to the border of Romulan Star Empire. Who knows? Maybe some species secretly experimented with some immensely volatile substances, and they caused an unstoppable chain reaction (which spreaded to other nearby stars)? Don't forget - Tolian Soran destroyed the Amargosa star with a single click. And yes, we must presume that Vulcans developed the red matter long before that happened - possibly for some other uses. Spock said that they outfitted their fastest ship, so the Jellyfish was constructed before that, too.

I don't know for you, but what I said above makes a lot sense to me. Live long and prosper...

[fireproof78]

It makes sense to me as well.

Size of the Enterprise comment-if you think about it, a Federation starship is attacked by an unknown Romulan vessel, shortly after the Earth-Romulan war. Now, what would your reaction be? Personally, I would be ramping up military research and development, and probably design a different ship than previously thought of. The fact that the Enterprise is bigger is a logical expectation given Nero's attack.

Engineering vs. bridge design-talk to any Industrial Organization (I/O) psychologist and you will realize that engineers and the average person do not think along the same lines. An I/O psych is trained to bridge that gap, but Engineering is likely going to be built to make it easier for the engineers to work, not easy on the eyes.

I do not think the movie had as many issues as people often think.

[Dayton3]

Actually, they would have to do major surgery on the Star Trek movie to make it acceptable to me.

Including eliminating the destruction of Romulus and Vulcan.

[mike3775]

I don't understand how anyone is upsetwith the way this movie was done. It was done in a way to preserve the original timeline and set this timeline up. This timeline is more interesting now, then the original was IMO, since so much more can be done

[Wowbagger]

THK, on 25 August 2010 - 05:45 PM, said:

6. Supernova threatening the entire galaxy.
Even that's possible. Which star was it, anyway? Let's presume it was very close to the border of Romulan Star Empire. Who knows? Maybe some species secretly experimented with some immensely volatile substances, and they caused an unstoppable chain reaction (which spreaded to other nearby stars)? Don't forget - Tolian Soran destroyed the Amargosa star with a single click. And yes, we must presume that Vulcans developed the red matter long before that happened - possibly for some other uses. Spock said that they outfitted their fastest ship, so the Jellyfish was constructed before that, too.

I once theorized that the unstoppable chain reaction of stars was indeed the result of experimentation -- a deliberate experiment by Spock, for reasons similar to Tolian Soran's. That explanation also helped explain the much more serious problem (to me) of Nero's motivations.

For the full theory (which is enormously long, and attempts to explain every single supposed error or nit discovered in the new movie as far as I know), click the link: http://www.trekbbs.c...ad.php?t=112365

[Radardog]

I actually can deal with the majority of what happened in that film, with or without rationalizations.

What this film did for me, which I didn't realize it would do, is remind me that above all else, Star Trek was supposed to be fun. The best films, the best episodes, all of them, were imaginative, exciting and fun. Yes, Star Trek has produced some very intelligent and thought provoking entertainment as well, and dumbing it down wasn't the most popular move. But in the end, I didn't really feel that the new film was "dumb."

In fact, it could be argued that the "staleness" of what had become the Prime Universe was due to a lack of passion and danger in the characters and stories. This new film reinvigorated those things and injected what the franchise really needed: Humanity.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

Radardog, on 13 January 2011 - 01:00 AM, said:

I actually can deal with the majority of what happened in that film, with or without rationalizations.

Reading some of this thread has made me feel a lot better about myself!

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What this film did for me, which I didn't realize it would do, is remind me that above all else, Star Trek was supposed to be fun. The best films, the best episodes, all of them, were imaginative, exciting and fun.

I'm surprised to hear that from you RD. I would have said that the best episodes - across all series and films - were not necessarily "fun". I don't think TWOK was exactly a "fun" movie. There are dozens - quite literally dozens - of episodes which were imaginative and exciting that weren't fun. Fun is fine, but fun was never what Star trek was all about, otherwise Desilu would have stuck to making I Love Lucy.

That much of Star trek was fun was not so much an intention as the fact that people enjoyed watchjing it - even the challenging stuff.

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Yes, Star Trek has produced some very intelligent and thought provoking entertainment as well, and dumbing it down wasn't the most popular move. But in the end, I didn't really feel that the new film was "dumb."

I don't think it was "dumb" either, but it could have been a whole lot smarter without affecting the overall quality. I think the plot was too compromised by having to do the job of reintroducing the characters. It was a fair effort and had some of those genuinely fun Trek moments, but the sequel will have to punch more than its weight if the series is to be properly worthwhile beyond BO receipts.

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In fact, it could be argued that the "staleness" of what had become the Prime Universe was due to a lack of passion and danger in the characters and stories.

Truthfully, I think what you characterise as "staleness" was a lot to do with the pressure placed by the studios on writers to produce long seasons of individual shows and the rush to justify sequels. That ultimately was what killed the Prime Universe Trek, and it certainly ripped the guts out of Enterprise whioch began with a lot of potential until the studio started demanding T&A. personally, I'm glad that the writers are taking their time to produce a sequel to the last film, but if there are any overt attempts to redo TWOK or shoehorn in the Borg or a duff Klingon story then I'm going to be yelling "stale" from the rooftops!

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This new film reinvigorated those things and injected what the franchise really needed: Humanity.

The reinvigoration will need to be a sustained effort and humanity must not lose out to the pressure to produce popcorn fodder. The new cast is promising and I'm looking forward to seeing Chris Pine own Kirk (hopefully he will have taken a few lessons in acting with intensity from Tom Hardy with whom he has recently made a movie) and grow to the stature of Shatner when he was at his finest in the role.

[Mrs Treklady]

THK as you pointed out Star trek 09 do have alot of errors as i found out, i have a large list of errors that i found- and when ever i find the time I will write a few down so when i see STar Trek09 again I can look for them.

1. •Continuity: After Spock boards the Vulcan ship on board the mining vessel, Kirk is seen walking through some pipes. His Starfleet phaser has switched to a Romulan gun (longer barrel and no lights), before switching back to the Starfleet one again in the next scene. He actually acquires the Romulan gun a few scenes later.


2. •Continuity: When Nero is told that Spock has destroyed the drill and Nero yells, "Spock," Nero's left ear is the one missing its tip instead of his right ear. (This shot was obviously reversed in editing.)


3. •Continuity: When the crew are discussing the plan to beam aboard Nero's ship Ensign Chekov states that in order to arrive in time they will need Mr Scott to get them to Warp factor 4 - however, the HUD on the view-screen behind the group clearly shows the ship to already be traveling at a speed in excess of Warp 4.3.


4. •Errors made by characters Zachary Quinto's Spock arches his left eyebrow, whereas Leonard Nimoy's Spock arches his right.


5. • goofs: In the original series' second pilot, "Star Trek: Where No Man Has Gone Before (#1.3)" (1966) , the planet Delta Vega was a lithium-cracking station near the edge of the galaxy. In this film, the planet appears to have mysteriously been moved so close to the planet Vulcan that it can be seen in broad daylight from the surface. However, according to writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman they were aware of this fact and chose to name the new planet in this film after the one originally encountered in the original series as a direct reference to the episode. It is also important to remember that conceivably there could be two planets named Delta Vega, and given the same that they are light years away from one another in different solar systems, there would be no serious problem with this.


• goofs: The "Enterprise" is referred to as Star Fleet's new flagship. While in current naval tradition a flagship requires an admiral on board, Starfleet has been established as having a premier starship referred to as a "flagship." In "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (1987), the Enterprise 1701-D was referred to as the Flagship of the Federation.


• goofs: In the final "Spock on Spock" scene, you can see the obvious height difference between the two. Young Spock should be the same height as old Spock. However, Vulcan biology is not fully understood and this could simply be a natural physical change. Additionally, this is consistent with human physiology. Old Spock is 120 years older than young Spock so it is natural that young Spock is taller. As humans age, their spines become more curved and the cartilage in between the vertebrae become more compacted; hence they tend to be shorter. This height difference can be quite considerable so a handful of inches is really not unusual. In addition, it should also be noted that both the actors, Leonard Nimoy and Zachary Quinto, both stand the exact same height in real life, 6'1". So the height difference on-screen could be intentional, to show the aging of Older Spock.


•Continuity: When Kirk first lands on the drill, he removes his helmet and throws it to the side and engages a Romulan in hand-to-hand combat. Several seconds later during a pan-out, we see Kirk hitting another Romulan in the head with the helmet he earlier threw off to the side, even though there would be no time for him to retrieve it from across the platform.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Chekov's Russian accent is sometimes perceived to have a major flaw in it. In Russian, there is no "W" sound, but there is a very, very common "V" sound (although heavily rounded with shades of "w"). As a result of this, his labored way of transforming his V's into W's might seem incorrect, but when speaking English, native Russian speakers will sometimes transpose V's and W's, e.g. "Ve are wery happy to be here". (A similar phenomenon is seen in speakers of Asian languages that possess only either "L" or "R", when speaking in English will often transpose them: "really" becomes "leary".) In any event, this is clearly a nod to Walter Koenig's portrayal of Chekov in the original series and most notably in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986), when Chekov is seen in 20th Century San Francisco asking for directions to "nuclear wessels".


• In the scene at the Star Fleet outpost on Delta Vega , Mr. Scott says he had a transporter mishap with "Admiral Archer's prized beagle". The series "Star Trek: Enterprise" (2001) with Archer was set around 100 years before the events of the movie. Nero traveled 154 years into the past from 2387 to 2233. Spock arrived 25 years later, in the present, which is the year 2258. Enterprise was set in 2151 meaning Archer would be around 140-150 years old. Star Trek writer 'Bob Orci' went on record to clear up the issue: "Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, from the TV series and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy in The Next Generation.)"


•Revealing mistakes: When Kirk is making out with the Green Orion cadet in her bed, you can see green make-up on the front of his boxers (and a little on his skin above the boxers) when he first lifts himself from on top of her for some dialog. After the scene cuts to another camera angle and then back to Kirk, the green coloring is no longer visible on Kirk.


•: When the Kelvin encountered the Narada, the latter was emerging from a black hole, thus the "lightning storm in space". Before it started to attack Vulcan, there was another "lightning storm in space"; this was the arrival of Spock Prime's vessel, the Jellyfish.


•: According to the Original Series, Captain Kirk mentions a Federation/Romulan War many years previously. The war was conducted through starship battles and the treaty for it was negotiated via subspace radio, so Romulans and Federation citizens never saw each other prior to that point in time. This means that the Federation knew about the Romulans and general background information about their ships (what radio frequencies were used, power signatures, etc.) long before the scene with the USS Kelvin in the movie which resulted in altering later history.


•Continuity: In the high altitude parachute jump, the display on Chekov's screen showing the order of jumpers (Olsen, Kirk, Sulu) does not match actual order (Kirk, Olsen, Sulu) until the first chutes deploy.



•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Spock Prime is surprised that Kirk is not yet Captain of the Enterprise. In his time line, he served under Captain Pike's command of the Enterprise for ten years, and Kirk became Captain after that time. He should know that Kirk is too young to be Captain. However Spock may not know the actual date yet - so far he's been abducted by Nero and abandoned on a planet near Vulcan, and although he's aware of a nearby Starfleet outpost, he's not been there yet.


•Continuity: In the scene where they're making a plan to sneak up on the Narada, Mr. Scott is holding a towel with both hands, but when they zoom up closer, he is holding it to his side.


•Continuity: During the awards ceremony, several flags can be seen in the background, including what appears to be the state flag of California. Towards the end of the sequence, the point of view shifts to Old Spock viewing from a balcony, and the flags are changed to Federation and Starfleet flags.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Uhura claims to be able to speak three dialects of Romulan. It has been established that relations between the Romulans and the Federation have never been friendly and that the only contact was to negotiate a peace. However, there's no reason to presume that their unfriendliness precluded either side learning the other's language somehow. There would be an immense tactical, political, and diplomatic advantage to figuring it out. (It is quite reasonable that, despite the conflict, one side would learn the other's language. In "Star Trek" (1966) episode "The Enterprise Incident" (3.02), while a Romulan Commander is speaking with Captain Kirk, she remarks, "Your language has always been most difficult for me, Captain," implying that they are not employing the Universal Translator, which must mean that she has studied and mastered English.)


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: According to the writers, the new Stardate system has the year and the decimal points indicate the day (i.e. Stardate 2258.42 is February 11, 2258). However, at the beginning of the film, Captain Robau says the Stardate is "twenty-two thirty-three zero four". This does not fit into the new system, as he only gives one placeholder zero instead of two or none (it should have been Stardate 2233.4). However, the Stardate system is essentially separating the two numbers. 2233.0000004 would have been correct. But if you want to hold them to a standard, then every Stardate should be four digits, then three, meaning every Stardate in the movie is wrong. This means the Captain was correct.


•Continuity: When Kirk, McCoy and Uhura rush onto the bridge to inform the captain that they are racing into a Romulan trap, Kirk runs towards the captain and Uhura runs to stand right next to Spock. When the camera angle changes, Uhura is not standing next to Spock but about 5 feet to the left of him.


•Continuity: When McCoy and Kirk board a shuttle headed for the Enterprise, there are nacelles visible on the bottom of the hull. However, when it pulls out to reveal the Enterprise in orbit, the nacelles are on the top of the hull.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the fight on the drill's platform, which is at an extremely high altitude, Kirk and Sulu remove their helmets. On Earth, humans would find it very difficult to breathe at that height without supplemental oxygen; in Trek mythology, Vulcan's atmosphere is thinner than Earth's. It was an acceptable practice, when visiting or residing on Vulcan, to receive an injection of a Tri-ox compound to assist in breathing ("Amok Time" TOS). Knowing that they would be fighting on Vulcan at a high altitude, it seems logical that the away team would be given a similar injection (considering McCoy's penchant for injecting Kirk on the fly), though it was not shown on screen.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Kirk convinces Pike and Spock that they are heading into a trap as they warp towards Vulcan, Kirk refers to 'Forty-seven Klingon Warbirds destroyed by Romulans.' Though typically Warbirds were Romulan vessels within the Star Trek canon, the fact that the timeline had already been altered, coupled with deleted scenes involving Nero's escape from a Klingon Prison camp, lends to the possibility that Klingon vessels are designated as Warbirds as well. Indeed, the Kobayashi Maru scene earlier refers to "three Klingon Warbirds".


• The deep crevasse that the young James Kirk dumps the corvette into is not a natural canyon (which are not generally found in Iowa) but a rock quarry.


•Errors made by characters When Captain Pike is talking to Kirk in the bar, he says "You understand what the Federation is, don't you? It's important. It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada." However, here he is describing Starfleet and not the Federation. The Federation is an intergalactic government like the United Nations, while Starfleet is the "peacekeeping and humanitarian" force.


•Continuity: The Starfleet logo, the distinctive "arrow-head" that featured on all the teasers, was originally intended by the production designers of the original series to be the "assignment patch" for crew on the Enterprise only. This was reflected on-screen by the use of different patches for different ships or posts. The use of the arrowhead insignia on the Kelvin is therefore a continuity error since the histories of the two time lines are supposed to be identical up to that point.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: During Chekov's announcement to the crew during the voyage to Vulcan, he leans over to his left (towards Sulu) when talking about the "lightning storm in space." When Kirk replays the footage of this, Chekov shifts and leans slightly to his right (what would be away from Sulu, if from the viewpoint of the view screen) during this line. The replay of Chekov is reversed, as shown by the location of Captain Pike's knee behind Chekov. In the live version, Pike's knee is correctly on the audience's right. In the replay, Pike's black pant leg is seen on the left. Thus the replay of the video is correct.


•Factual errors: Saturn's moon Titan orbits in the plane of the rings, but when the Enterprise rises out of the atmosphere of Titan, the view looks down on the rings.


•Crew or equipment visible: When Ayel lifts Kirk by the throat you can see wires pulling Kirk up.


•Revealing mistakes: Characters are seen taking the turbo-lift DOWN to the engineering deck of the USS Kelvin. However the exterior shots clearly show the engineering hull is ABOVE the saucer section, where the bridge etc. is located.


•Errors made by characters Kirk's statement to the crew that Spock had resigned his commission was incorrect. He was not giving up his rank of Commander, he was stepping down as Captain of the ship. At the end when he is talking to Spock Prime about leaving Starfleet, then he would have resigned his commission.


•Continuity: During the space jump, Chekov reports the away team's altitude every few seconds. His first report gives an altitude of about 20,000 meters, however, the head-up display in front of him shows an altitude of over 100,000 meters. The away team's descent could not possibly have covered about 80,000 meters in such a short period of time. Later reports in the scene show the altitude to be more accurate.


•Crew or equipment visible: The shadow of the camera is visible on Spock Prime's back near the end of the movie.


•Continuity: When Spock enters the Bridge to become Kirk's first officer in the final scene (after Kirk relieves Pike), he steps off the Turbolift and steps behind a glossy panel. The panel reflects the face of one of the bridge crew: a woman whose red hair is bound up in a weird bun-like do. In the reflection her shirt is red. When the camera switches to the full bridge view, she is wearing blue.


•Continuity: When the Narada first attacks the Enterprise upon its arrival at Vulcan, its missiles impact the Enterprise on the Port (left) side of the "neck" connecting the Primary (saucer) and Secondary (Engineering) hulls. However, when Kirk is ejected onto Delta Vega from an airlock in the same general area where the missile impact occurred, there is no sign of any battle damage.


•Continuity: After the Nerada comes through the black hole the next shot shows the bridge of the Kelvin and the red alert klaxon is playing. Next, the helmsman says "I have a reading, they've locked weapons on us." The captain then announces red alert even though the klaxon is already playing.


•Continuity: When Spock is beamed away from Spock Prime's ship at the end of the movie he is in a sitting position, but when he materializes on the transporter pad he is in a standing position.


•Continuity: In the end when Spock and Spock Prime are talking, when they switch the cameras behind each other. The transport ship behind them show them standing at different positions. When the Camera is behind Spock Prime the are near the rear wing but when the camera is behind Spock it shows them standing behind the ship.


•Plot holes: When Kirk and crew are devising their plan, Spock says he can board the Narada and "steal back" the black hole device. At this time, only Kirk knew that the device was in fact stolen.


•Revealing mistakes: When Kirk and Spock beam aboard the Romulan vessel Spock leans down to perform a mind meld on one of the fallen Romulans. You can clearly see Spock's right hand with a deep scratch revealing RED blood as opposed to green.


•Continuity: During the countdown at the beginning of the movie when Captain Kirk is on the collision course, as it counts down from 18 seconds, it actually takes longer for it to impact than 18 seconds.


•Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers): During the high altitude parachute jump, Olsen's last altitude call-out was "twelve thousand meters." His previous call-out was "fifteen hundred meters." (This may be a sign that Olsen was insufficiently attentive to what he was doing, which may explain what happens seconds later.)


•Errors in geography: There are no mountain ranges anywhere in Iowa, yet one appears clearly visible behind Kirk while approaches the Starfleet base to join up.


•Continuity: In the opening scene, when Captain Robau of the Kelvin says "Polarize the view screen" you can see he is wearing a Starfleet badge. As he turns and sits down in the captains chair, it has disappeared, but returns again in the next scene.


•Continuity: When Chekov is briefing the crew on his plan to catch up to the Narada, there is a close-up shot of Bones turned to his left listening with Sulu standing off to his left side. The next shot of everybody standing around shows Bones angled more to the right and Sulu is behind him.


•Continuity: In the fight scene between Nero and Kirk, Nero's injured ear and scars change sides from right to left. In the next scene involving Nero, it is corrected.


•Continuity: When Kirk and Bones are exchanging introductions on the shuttle the day Kirk enlists in Starfleet, the position of Kirk's shoulder belts changes between shots.


•Continuity: When Chekov beams Kirk and Sulu onto the transporter pad from their free-fall, they hit the pad hard enough to send (badly animated) shards from the pad into the air, as well as cracking noises. However, when the pad is shown again, there is no damage whatsoever.


•Audio/visual unsynchronized: During Spock and Kirk's fight on the bridge, Spock slams Kirk into one of the bridge consoles, which makes a cracking sound like it had been broken by Kirk's impact. When the console is shown again, there is no damage.


•Continuity: The Planet Kirk is exiled on is shown to be a class M planet. However, according to the original series, it should be a Class P planet.


•Continuity: When the USS Kelvin is attacked by the Narada, the front half of the saucer section suffers a lot of damage. However, when Ayel appears on the viewscreen after the attack, there is no damage or debris to the saucer section as seen through the windows of the bridge.


•Plot holes: When Spock Prime is contacted by Nero following the destruction of Romulus, Nero's appearance is not the appearance of a normal Romulan from that timeline. Instead Nero already has the facial tattoos and shaved head consistent with the Romulan mourning ritual, although Nero and his crew should not have performed this ritual until after the attack on the Kelvin - in which the Romulan appearance should also be original timeline appearance.


• When the fleet is about to warp to Vulcan, Capt. Pike orders the Enterprise to go at maximum warp. The Enterprise should outrun the other ships even if they had a head start since it is the flag ship and as Scottie says, has ample nacelles.


•Revealing mistakes: The planet where Kirk finds Spock Prime has an arctic terrain with no trees, but the fire in the cave is made with wood.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: When Uhura walks in on Kirk and the Orion (the green girl), she says, "I've been working on solar systems." While we refer to our own star system as "The Solar System", it is not in the least bit incorrect to refer to any other star system as "a solar system". The difference is in the use of "The" as opposed to "A". A "solar system" is simply a planetary system that orbits a star and so Uhura is quite correct in her wording.


•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: The female Vulcan Minister is smiling as she stands up at Spock's entrance hearing for the Science Academy. However, this is not necessarily an emotional response - smiling can be used to convey approval of a situation (as well as dozens of other meanings), therefore the minister may simply be smiling to signify support of Spock.

: When Captain Robau is shown at the beginning of the film, the Starfleet insignia on his uniform disappears and reappears again as Robau enters the bridge and sits in his chair. It also happens again when the Narada emerges and attacks the Kelvin.


•Errors made by characters :When Kirk is on trial for cheating he asks to face his accuser. Admiral Richard Barnett says,"This is Commander Spock. He is one of our most distinguished stragetists" instead of strategists.



•Continuity: SPOILER: When the Romulans attacks Earth, you can see the flame coming down on the seaport near Starfleet, creating a giant circular wave. But in close-up, there's no wave at all, just water evaporating.


SPOILER: The Romulan ship managed to reach Earth and start drilling without Starfleet attacking because the primary fleet was in the Laurentian system, and only 7 ships were sent to Vulcan because they were all the available ships. Additionally, Captain Pike was forced to give Starfleet defense codes when the slug was attached to his brain stem. When Nero arrived at Earth, he was able to do so without alerting any Earth defenses.


SPOILER: It's unthinkable that Kirk being named second in charge by captain Christopher Pike wouldn't be overruled by him being marooned for mutiny. However, as Kirk himself noted, Spock's actions (marooning him on a unsafe Class-M planet) are also against Starfleet regulations.


•SPOILER: Some viewers have commented that the Nero/Spock confrontation that sends them through the black hole occurred immediately following the destruction of Romulus. The canon comic series "Star Trek: Countdown" makes it clear that there was a substantial time passage of 25 years, during which Nero upgraded his ship significantly as part of his revenge scheme.

SPOILER: Chekov obtained transporter lock on Kirk and Sulu because the transponders in their communicators helped him lock onto their biosignal, which was moving at a predictable velocity. However, losing transporter lock on Spock's mother was a different story. Whether from the lack of communicators or Vulcan's unique geology, transporter lock on the Science Council was only possible above ground. Unlike with Kirk and Sulu, her fall was a complete surprise, and her biosignal was masked by interference from the cliff walls and the debris engulfing her body. In addition, while Amanda clearly demonstrated that people can move within the field of a transport in progress, she literally fell out of the transport-in-progress's field when the cliff collapsed. She was already being molecularly disassembled for transport. Compare this to Kirk and Sulu's transport; in that instance, Kirk and Sulu were already in motion and Chekov was already working on maintaining the lock while Kirk and Sulu were transported aboard.


SPOILER: When Nero is accused of genocide after destroying Vulcan, he responds that he is trying to prevent it. He knows he has gone back in time, and he has the red matter, which he knows can destroy the supernova. He also knows from his own actions that it's possible to change the time line he is from. If he truly wants to prevent genocide, why does he not go to the star and eliminate it decades before it can destroy Romulus? This is in part because Nero also states that he wishes to eliminate the Federation since it is the primary nemesis of Romulus. Nero may have decided to destroy the Federation before saving his home world, since the supernova is not scheduled to take place for a hundred years. (It should also be noted that Nero is not exactly a picture of mental health, after having witnessed the destruction of his entire planet, travelling through a black hole and spending upwards of 25 years plotting revenge. Therefore any logical flaws in what he says can always just be put down to his tenuous grip on sanity.)


By destroying Vulcan, Nero does not prevent the development of red matter. The development of red matter was in his timeline and his timeline remains unchanged.



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[Spocks Beard]

Funny that Uhura speaks 3 dialects of Romulan, yet in ST:VI she can't even speak one dialect of Klingon.

[Aemielius]

5. • goofs: In the original series' second pilot, "Star Trek: Where No Man Has Gone Before (#1.3)" (1966) , the planet Delta Vega was a lithium-cracking station near the edge of the galaxy. In this film, the planet appears to have mysteriously been moved so close to the planet Vulcan that it can be seen in broad daylight from the surface. However, according to writers Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman they were aware of this fact and chose to name the new planet in this film after the one originally encountered in the original series as a direct reference to the episode. It is also important to remember that conceivably there could be two planets named Delta Vega, and given the same that they are light years away from one another in different solar systems, there would be no serious problem with this.

Or it could be that Ocri and Kurtzman are unimaginative slackers and didn’t want to come up with a new name for the planet.


•: According to the Original Series, Captain Kirk mentions a Federation/Romulan War many years previously. The war was conducted through starship battles and the treaty for it was negotiated via subspace radio, so Romulans and Federation citizens never saw each other prior to that point in time. This means that the Federation knew about the Romulans and general background information about their ships (what radio frequencies were used, power signatures, etc.) long before the scene with the USS Kelvin in the movie which resulted in altering later history.

You forgot to mention that in the TOS episode Balance of Terror, not even Spock knew what Romulans looked like, yet apparently they had been encountered by the Vulcans prior to the launch of Enterprise NX-01 as T’Pol corrects Hoshi’s pronunciation the word ‘romulan’.
Perhaps during this time, the Vulcans had not yet completely suppressed the knowledge of their kinship with the Romulans but by TOS, they had.



•Incorrectly regarded as goofs: In the scene where Kirk convinces Pike and Spock that they are heading into a trap as they warp towards Vulcan, Kirk refers to 'Forty-seven Klingon Warbirds destroyed by Romulans.' Though typically Warbirds were Romulan vessels within the Star Trek canon, the fact that the timeline had already been altered, coupled with deleted scenes involving Nero's escape from a Klingon Prison camp, lends to the possibility that Klingon vessels are designated as Warbirds as well. Indeed, the Kobayashi Maru scene earlier refers to "three Klingon Warbirds".

I can’t argue with you on this, however it is purely supposition. My thinking is that is yet another glaring writing error by Ocri and Kurtzman.



SPOILER: It's unthinkable that Kirk being named second in charge by captain Christopher Pike wouldn't be overruled by him being marooned for mutiny. However, as Kirk himself noted, Spock's actions (marooning him on a unsafe Class-M planet) are also against Starfleet regulations.

What’s unthinkable is that a seasoned commanding officer in any type of military force would choose a third year, academically suspended cadet, regardless of how brilliant he is supposed to be, to become the third in command (2nd in command after Pike leaves) when there should have already been a formal chain of command in place.
This isn’t so much a spoiler as a gaping plot hole. Yet more shoddy research.


•Continuity: The Planet Kirk is exiled on is shown to be a class M planet. However, according to the original series, it should be a Class P planet.

While I would tend to agree with you, there are many variables that make up each class, such as age, diameter, core materials, mass, density etc.
As you say Delta Vega should be class P according to Star Trek: Star Charts. However, class P is not actually a canon planetary class nor are the Star Charts canon material despite being written by ST staffers. Class P as a planetary classification has never been stated on screen.
It is apparent that the rule of thumbs is…if you can breath the air, it’s class M.


• When the fleet is about to warp to Vulcan, Capt. Pike orders the Enterprise to go at maximum warp. The Enterprise should outrun the other ships even if they had a head start since it is the flag ship and as Scottie says, has ample nacelles.

Nowhere is it stated that a flagship must be or is the biggest, baddest ship in the fleet.
A ‘flagship’ is any ship that fills any of various missions…
1) The ship that carries the commanding officer of a formally organized fleet, usually an Admiral; a rank that falls under a category known as ‘Flag Rank’ and includes Commodores, Admirals and Generals.
2) Any ship that carries the commanding officer of an ad hoc fleet such as that which warped to Vulcan.
3) Any ship that carries the supreme commander of a wartime operations theater.
4) Any single ship selected to represent its government of origin; generally during some kind of diplomatic assignment or mission. Aka a ‘Fly the Flag’ mission. Example: The USS Iowa when it entered Tokyo Harbor to receive Japan's surrender after WWII. Even though the Iowa was the biggest and baddest ship in the US fleet, any destroyer or frigate could have just as easily been chosen for job and thus been titled, 'Flagship of the United States'.
Additionally, since we do not know the maximum velocity of the other ships warping to Vulcan so there is no way to know what ship would have gotten there first
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•SPOILER: Some viewers have commented that the Nero/Spock confrontation that sends them through the black hole occurred immediately following the destruction of Romulus. The canon comic series "Star Trek: Countdown" makes it clear that there was a substantial time passage of 25 years, during which Nero upgraded his ship significantly as part of his revenge scheme.

There is no such thing as a ‘canon comic series’. Roddenberry explicitly stated that canon is what happens on either the large or small screen


SPOILER: Chekov obtained transporter lock on Kirk and Sulu because the transponders in their communicators helped him lock onto their biosignal, which was moving at a predictable velocity. However, losing transporter lock on Spock's mother was a different story. Whether from the lack of communicators or Vulcan's unique geology, transporter lock on the Science Council was only possible above ground. Unlike with Kirk and Sulu, her fall was a complete surprise, and her biosignal was masked by interference from the cliff walls and the debris engulfing her body. In addition, while Amanda clearly demonstrated that people can move within the field of a transport in progress, she literally fell out of the transport-in-progress's field when the cliff collapsed. She was already being molecularly disassembled for transport. Compare this to Kirk and Sulu's transport; in that instance, Kirk and Sulu were already in motion and Chekov was already working on maintaining the lock while Kirk and Sulu were transported aboard.

Traditionally, a transporter lock is achieved 2 ways; either through a communicator transponder or biosignal. Once a transporter lock is obtained it ignores everything else and objects are held within the annular confinement beam at the targeted location. Once the dematerialization sequence had begun, nothing short of a weapon’s affect or some sort of dampening field should have been able to interfere with the transport process, and definitely not something as simple as the target losing its footing.
There is no reason that Amanda should have died that way other than Ocri and Kurtzman are idiots.


I apologize if I sound like I'm trashing your opinions; that is truly not my intent. I am really trying to just make comments on some of them, such as with my comment about flagships.
Visually I really liked STXI but I am more than a bit peeved by the obvious lack of research done on Trek facts and canon and the un-professionalism of the writing; and even more so that such horrendous errors and shoddiness were allowed to slide at Paramount.
I have a copy of an early draft of the screenplay and many parts of it read like drunken teenagers wrote it.

This post has been edited by Aemielius: 28 October 2011 - 01:16 AM