[dominion_ruler]

I have seen the debates on other forums, and it appears the latter half is ahead. The question is, another villain in the sequal, or something in another form as the challenge (ex. TMP & TVH).

I'd still like to see a villain, but something completely original. Perhaps its time for someone from a species we have never encountered.

[trekkin']

Not sure why there can't be both a new villain and a new challenge???

I took "challenge" as the choice, hoping that it would avert the need to cast a "star" as the next villain.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

I had a similar conversation in the 'Movies' section of the forum when one (ex)member was asking why did there have to be a villain? Unfortunately the person concerned, whilst slagging off Nemesis, couldn't come up with a single, viable alternative for a villain, thereby making the case that villains - at least in movie Trek- are well-nigh indispensible.

If you think about the most successful of the Trek movies - I cite TWOK and FC as cases - they had very strong villains and I think the movies need the extra dimension that a strong opposing character/anagonist brings to the table.

Unfortunatly, the two movies cited - TMP and TVH - are probably good examples as to why villains are really necessary. TMP was a spectacularly ponderous and dull movie quite simply because a giant machine trolling through space with a one-dimensional 'motive' to find its creator brings no sense of urgancy with it. Yes, VGer might have been a 'challenge' for the crew, but the lack of any genuine engagement meant there was no real tension, and movies like The Abyss deal with this kind of science fiction far better. TVH, is a movie that I regard as rather standing apart from the rest in terms of being the most slapstick and humorous of the movies where humour replaced the villain.

If Trek movies don't have villains, then what we end up with is - what? Some 'entity' nobody understands for two hours until somebody has an epiphany, or the crew clustered around a petri dish, which is fine for TV Trek, but a move demands something on a far bigger scale, and only villains can produce tha epic sense of scale and urgency.

Just MHO.

This post has been edited by JulesLuvsShinzon: 05 July 2009 - 06:40 AM

[ChristopherPike]

Tough really. It would be nice to have a Starfleet Officer as the villain... leaving Khan well alone. Throw in some proper exploration. Ultimately I'd want Star Trek and its follow-ups to be part of an arc which bring the films back into the Prime Universe. Keeping the recast, but more a part of the original timeline. Some kind of disaster with the whole of Star Trek in jeopardy because of Nero's influence and giving Kirk the opportunity to fix everything that went wrong. His father's death. The loss of Vulcan. Fix it, I say. If not now, then eventually.

[ensign edwards]

I think you really need a villain. Different challenges are fine for TV, but a movie needs the scale and tension that can only come from a big villain.

[Terilynn]

I want a new villain as the challenge!

[Tibbetts]

I would like to see a new villain and a new challenge.


-Tibbetts

[Ben_Jamin]

I personally would like to see Gary Mitchell from this universe. And I would like to see him eventually become a villain, but not like he did in the series. Maybe, I don't know, intronduce him in the second / 12th film and make him the villain in the third / 13th film. That would be cool. But he needs to be someone that isn't like amazingly well known.

As far as the second / 12th film's villain is concerned, I either want a brand new villain, thetholians or gorn or maybe those borg that got flushed out into space in Enterprise Survived and bring them back.

[Time_Traveller]

I think that they should do something different for a change, As the past 11 Star Trek films, have Villians in it, Maybe Kirk has to go back to Starfleet to explain all of this to them etc?

[milatchi]

Ben_Jamin, on 11 July 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

Gary Mitchell

Ben_Jamin, on 11 July 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

tholians or gorn

I like those as potential enemies.
Personally, I kind of hope they'll redo Space Seed with the 2nd Star Trek film. Yeah, we've already seen Khan, but I still think it would be great if the producers and director chose the right actor and did it right.

[morning star ♀]

dominion_ruler, on 04 July 2009 - 07:19 PM, said:

I have seen the debates on other forums, and it appears the latter half is ahead. The question is, another villain in the sequal, or something in another form as the challenge (ex. TMP & TVH).

I'd still like to see a villain, but something completely original. Perhaps its time for someone from a species we have never encountered.

It would have been much better if they simply had one villain throughout the trilogy,
that way the whole story would have been developed better and he wouldn't be just another unintelligent revenge type of guy that doesn't even fit the star trek romulan.

[mike3775]

ChristopherPike, on 05 July 2009 - 08:17 AM, said:

Tough really. It would be nice to have a Starfleet Officer as the villain... leaving Khan well alone. Throw in some proper exploration. Ultimately I'd want Star Trek and its follow-ups to be part of an arc which bring the films back into the Prime Universe. Keeping the recast, but more a part of the original timeline. Some kind of disaster with the whole of Star Trek in jeopardy because of Nero's influence and giving Kirk the opportunity to fix everything that went wrong. His father's death. The loss of Vulcan. Fix it, I say. If not now, then eventually.

The thing is, I like this alternate timeline they have going now. If they change it to go back to the original timeline, then it throws the originals into huge doubt, because like Enterprise ruined TOS's history line, getting this timeline back to original order would throw the original timeline into mass confusion, which would hurt the franchise IMO

Me as far as a sequel goes, I would have a nemesis but make it a race that is friendly in the original timeline, but since this is the alternate, something that may have happened originally never occurred thus peace never happened. There are so many possibilities right now with this alternate time line, and with the original Spock in the alternate time line, he can "guide" Kirk and Spock in the alternate time line to what needs to be achieved, thus sorta restoring the original time line, but keeping the alternate going as well

[Mary-lou]

I agree that a villian is needed for a film. I would love to see the Borg. I also wonder if Q would work.

[Len_A]

Add my vote for a villain.

[jonathan]

I believe as well that a villian is needed in the new movie. a villian from a species we have never seen before. i mean we had khan, the klingons, the borg, and the romulans already. perhaps a species from the beta quadrant. think about it we have never seen or heard much from that quadrant other than the reference that captain sulu mapped that section of us and thats it. well what aliens did he encounter there? maybe some were hostile and could be utilized in the new movie.