[Devon]

GARY SEVEN, on 26 December 2009 - 02:25 AM, said:

avatar is much more along these lines then the latest trek---star trek is now about fighting bad guys-----[/size]

Star Trek has been "fighting bad guys" for 43 years now. Even Harlan Ellison accurately described the original Trek as a "Cop show in space."

[Apocalypse]

Just as a short answer, this latest rendition of Trek was just a blatant attempt to draw in the lower element. Star Trek tried to be intellectual, and it dealt with real issues. Too much of this movie seemed to be "Hey, look, breasts!" and "Pow pow pretty explosions!" and almost as if they knew they were going to be offending a handful of Trekkies who wanted a real Trek experience, they tried to cover it up with ham-fisted fan services (Ha ha! Remember red shirts? Cuz, this guy has a red suit, and red shirts always died, and he has a red shirt, so he died! Get it?) and pretty shots of the Enterprise. I'm not criticizing them for having fan services, or having a more action-oriented movie, I'm criticizing it because that's all it was and they knew it.

[Devon]

Apocalypse, on 28 December 2009 - 12:08 AM, said:

Just as a short answer, this latest rendition of Trek was just a blatant attempt to draw in the lower element.

The lower element? We as fans aren't a "higher element" by any means.

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Star Trek tried to be intellectual,

Tried, yes.

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and it dealt with real issues.

Sometimes, yes.

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Too much of this movie seemed to be "Hey, look, breasts!"

Maybe one scene, and even that is pushing it a little (and not fair to this film when TOS would be guilty of the same exact thing.)

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and "Pow pow pretty explosions!"

About on parr with "The Wrath of Khan."

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and almost as if they knew they were going to be offending a handful of Trekkies who wanted a real Trek experience,

Which obviously didn't make any difference to the film's successful outcome. But at the same time, some of those handful chose to be offended and took things to exaggerated levels of offensiveness because they could.

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they tried to cover it up with ham-fisted fan services (Ha ha! Remember red shirts? Cuz, this guy has a red suit, and red shirts always died, and he has a red shirt, so he died! Get it?) and pretty shots of the Enterprise. I'm not criticizing them for having fan services, or having a more action-oriented movie, I'm criticizing it because that's all it was and they knew it.

Except it wasn't all it was, unless that's all you paid attention to.

[Apocalypse]

Well, such is how I feel. This seems to be a subject you and I will never see eye to eye on.

[Disconnected Drone]

Whoah, I'm gone for two days (not even that!) and we've already had a full out debate! Darn, I missed it!

I do think that there's a lot to be said about what 'Trek' really is/was. Apocalypse mentioned that this movie was like 'Hey, look, breasts!', and that that is one of the reasons why it's not true Trek. Personally --and I mean this in no offense to anyone-- I feel that TOS had more of that than this movie did. The joke in my family is 'Hey, I wonder who the next lady who asks Captain Kirk about love is coming on!?'. I do think that I could have gone without the scene with 'Kayla' (*ahem* the green Orion girl of whom Captain Kirk...yeah), especially since they cut out the main reason for adding her in the first place!

Just because there's really nice explosions and effects doesn't mean it can't be true Trek; heck, I'm a TOS fan and I still like flashy effects!

[Apocalypse]

No, and I even said that I like good looking effects as much as the next guy, I'm just saying the movie was too much flash and not enough substance.