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#1 ssjautobot

 

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:32 PM

this has always bothered me! whenever a ship gets in a great fight, their shields have little or no effect

1. Enterprise E - in first contact, when the borg ship fired at it, it has a grand sphere shaped sheild that protected it greatly, but in nemesis, the shield was in the shape of the ship, and was pratically a few feet away from the hull, and when it was fired at, it went directly through the sheilds.

2. enterprise a- same as e, in undiscovered country, it had its sheilds on, but the BoP damaged it almost as if there were no sheilds in the first place.

3. enterprise d- sheilds were completly useless in generations, just because of that lame plot device

anyone feel the same way?

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 07:42 AM

I'm afraid I don't have all the answers, sometimes it stumps me too. As for Generations, the Klingons got a hold of the Enterprise's shield modulation, therefore they adjusted their torpedoes to match, thus penetrating their shields with ease.

Why the shape difference between the shields in FC and Nemesis, I dunno except maybe for visual effetcs appeal.

As for Undiscovered Country, it was clear the last torpedo burst through the hull, so my guess is that particular area of shields was weakened enough, but not the entire shields.

But we can clearly see in TWOK what happens when the Enterprise has no shields! :D

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 11:48 PM

The tackyon emissions from the silver screen disrupt the shield harmonics :lol: :dunce:

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 04:55 PM

this has always bothered me! whenever a ship gets in a great fight, their shields have little or no effect

1. Enterprise E - in first contact, when the borg ship fired at it, it has a grand sphere shaped sheild that protected it greatly, but in nemesis, the shield was in the shape of the ship, and was pratically a few feet away from the hull, and when it was fired at, it went directly through the sheilds.

2. enterprise a- same as e, in undiscovered country, it had its sheilds on, but the BoP damaged it almost as if there were no sheilds in the first place.

3. enterprise d- sheilds were completly useless in generations, just because of that lame plot device

anyone feel the same way?


The shields in any of the series or films goes as follows: Shields hold in direct correlation to the stakes that are on the line in the part of the script. At the end of the film, the shields ALWAYS fail. Otherwise, nobody would care.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:07 PM

As for Undiscovered Country, it was clear the last torpedo burst through the hull, so my guess is that particular area of shields was weakened enough, but not the entire shields.

But the ship was taking damage right from the first shot
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:17 PM

The shields in any of the series or films goes as follows: Shields hold in direct correlation to the stakes that are on the line in the part of the script. At the end of the film, the shields ALWAYS fail. Otherwise, nobody would care.

I think that would be inverse correlation...the higher the stakes, the weaker the shields.


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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:29 PM

The shields, as far as i have read about them, were divided roughly in two sections.
Don't hold me by the words here but the bubble shields were further away and were SUPPOSED to be weaker in any one point of the shield surface. The "envelope" shields were significantly closer to the hull and were, again, supposed to be stronger on a point as the energy was more concentrated in that thinner energy envelope...
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 01:03 PM

this has always bothered me! whenever a ship gets in a great fight, their shields have little or no effect

1. Enterprise E - in first contact, when the borg ship fired at it, it has a grand sphere shaped sheild that protected it greatly, but in nemesis, the shield was in the shape of the ship, and was pratically a few feet away from the hull, and when it was fired at, it went directly through the sheilds.

2. enterprise a- same as e, in undiscovered country, it had its sheilds on, but the BoP damaged it almost as if there were no sheilds in the first place.

3. enterprise d- sheilds were completly useless in generations, just because of that lame plot device

anyone feel the same way?



Right, here we go:

1. They would probably explain it away as some kind of technological advance that is why the shields were closer. Or they would just say they needed someting that looked better than the bubble, lol.

2. I think that was just due to the fact that first of all, the shields weren't up. This could then lead to the argument that the shield generator was damaged, so that explains that one away.

3. The plot device was cleverly done. I liked how the Duras sisters and Soran got through it. It was a very good idea, becaue it showed why exactly Soran's idea of a more normal looking prosthesis was a good idea, you can't just take off a pair of eyes.
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 03:46 PM

I think that in Undiscovered country movie the shields were up but were losing power with every hit. I think the plot was meant that Enterprise was weakened before that confrontation by using up the reserve power at warp.

Bubble shields were developed later in the timeline, somewhere between TOS and TNG era...
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Posted 27 May 2009 - 05:42 PM

The tackyon emissions from the silver screen disrupt the shield harmonics :lol: :dunce:

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 01:43 AM

First rule of Trek tech: Blame it on tachyons.
Second rule: If that fails, pretend it's some kind of anomaly.
Third rule: If that fails, make phlox up.

Unless it is Voyager...then the tachyons are your friends...and you use them to destroy...something...

Then follow rules II an III.
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Posted 31 May 2009 - 04:57 AM

Yeah, and the reason you blame Tachyons?

Because they're just so Tachy, lol.

Nah, I see the point, They do follow those rules a lot. But my joke does say it all, lol.
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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:37 AM

Did anyone notice the Sheilds the Starfleet officers in ST V didnt evan block thrown rocks.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 07:14 PM

my viewpoint, people like to see the shields and also notice the battle damage too. Battle damage does make great images.

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 02:42 AM

Yeah but its mildly irrataiting to hear Sheilds Up and the the first shot tears a nice chunk clean out of the saucer section. Besides it gives a feel for how Desprite a situation is when they finally do go down.
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 11:59 AM

Or better yet, when they don't work at all. (ST2,3,7)

Besides, anyone should know shields are about as effective as the "Script" allows them to be. No matter how powerful the ship is, the "Script" is God.
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Posted 19 June 2011 - 02:31 AM

this has always bothered me! whenever a ship gets in a great fight, their shields have little or no effect

1. Enterprise E - in first contact, when the borg ship fired at it, it has a grand sphere shaped sheild that protected it greatly, but in nemesis, the shield was in the shape of the ship, and was pratically a few feet away from the hull, and when it was fired at, it went directly through the sheilds.

2. enterprise a- same as e, in undiscovered country, it had its sheilds on, but the BoP damaged it almost as if there were no sheilds in the first place.

3. enterprise d- sheilds were completly useless in generations, just because of that lame plot device

anyone feel the same way?

Now that i think about it.



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