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#1 ssjautobot

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:00 PM

sorry if this has been asked here, but i am new here. so i was wondering what is with the hate for nemesis? personally, i loved it. its one of my favs

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 09:22 PM

Greetings,

Welcome aboard!

Personally, I have not seen the movie since it was in the theatre and remember clearly coming out totally ticked off about the way it ended. Destroying Data like that, for whatever reason, was my biggest problem. Frankly, I can't remember enough of the rest of it to comment.

I would watch it again, just for the sake of seeing it...but I doubt I would change my opinion of it.

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:14 PM

There's a lot of us who didn't outright hate the film. It just wasn't one of my personal faves. However I bought the DVD and watch it!

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:51 PM

Not one of my favs, but I don't hate it. I don't like what they did with Data, but I think they knew it was the last one, so they went for it. I too bought the DVD. If nothing else, it has some wonderful battle scenes. Don't get me wrong...I still watch it once in a while.
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Posted 26 February 2008 - 04:35 AM

Hi and welcome!

Check out our 17 page Nemesis thread and our new Nemesis script thread. You're among friends! :)

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 08:01 AM

The only issue I had with Nemesis is how much better it could've been. Stuart Baird just wasn't the right Director for this. The same script could've worked given some enthusiasm behind the camera. Even adding all the deleted scenes wouldn't be much of an improvement. The performances are pretty flat and if the cast did hit the mark, it feels like the wrong "take" was continually being used.

Despite all those this, it doesn't quite sink as low as "The Final Frontier". Not on my countdown of the films, at any rate.



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Posted 26 February 2008 - 09:41 AM

Welcome!

You will find little to no hate for it here on this forum! Aside from The Wrath of Khan, it is my favorite Star Trek film. It's one of those films I actually enjoy more and get more out of every time I watch it, and, it contains one of the best space battle scenes ever in Star Trek, amongst one of the best villains and henchman!

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 12:17 PM

I started a similar thread a ways back. I never did quite figure out why people don't like it. Personally, I think it was brilliant.

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 05:36 PM

It was certainly much, much better than "Insurrection" in my book.
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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:17 PM

I never hated it. I consider Nemesis to be my fave TNG cast movie. ;)

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Posted 01 March 2008 - 04:45 AM

They finally killed someone but killing data was wrong. Kill someone else like...Deanna troi or sumthing, in "all good things" she dies anyway...the movie had awesome graphics and a pretty good story line but again killing data was wrong!
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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:43 AM

They finally killed someone but killing data was wrong. Kill someone else like...Deanna troi or sumthing, in "all good things" she dies anyway...the movie had awesome graphics and a pretty good story line but again killing data was wrong!

I agree, killing Data was wrong, or at least, it wasn't executed very well, B4 ruined almost any emotion to the loss, like it was half a loss instead of a full loss...but yeah, we have had discussions about it in the other thread, and overall people are pissed about Data's death, the one cloud in the sky when it comes to Nemesis.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 04:04 PM

And even though Data did the file transfer with B4, he'll never be "Data" as we know again.
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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:29 PM

Yes, you'll find there are many of us here who truly do enjoy Nemesis, flawed as Baird might have made it. My advice for Data? Remember why he died, and what that meant for his journey to become human (the last step was ultimately the most tragic). Oh, and completely ignore B4. That only takes away from the poignancy.
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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:47 PM

^ Here, here! What he said!

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 10:29 PM

I agree, killing Data was wrong, or at least, it wasn't executed very well, B4 ruined almost any emotion to the loss, like it was half a loss instead of a full loss...but yeah, we have had discussions about it in the other thread, and overall people are pissed about Data's death, the one cloud in the sky when it comes to Nemesis.


Well, let them be pissed. Spiner helped write the story and Spiner wanted the option not to return for another film. So, he forced Data's death and in the mean time, pissed away the Star Trek movie franchise as well.

I agree, Deanna's death would have been more poignant.
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 11:03 AM

Am I the only one who didn't mind B4?

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:35 PM

Yes. ;) :P

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 04:23 PM

Am I the only one who didn't mind B4?

I'm going to agree with Ms. Terilynn here. You are.
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 07:37 AM

Am I the only one who didn't mind B4?

Strike one for you :P

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