[dominion_ruler]

Though it is still early, thought this might be fun.

I'm going to say this movie will do better than expected, that it will bring in new fans, sequals will be created, and the return to television will be a possibility. I think in reality it will only do as expected, but the move to May '09 increased my predictions for the film.

[Melvin]

I think it is entirely likely the movie will "perform as expected" (though that varies from person to person; essentially, that the movie will be mediocre). I can't accurately predict, but let's say the highest one I'll say it will go to is the second to top choice. The bottom is my worst nightmare and a possibility.

[Cougar]

Within the top 3 I'd say.

[Rakulp]

Greetings,

Movie does as expected, sequal could be made, franchise stays about where it is.

That should be considered a preliminary vote and subject to change...but based on the lack of information we have so far, that's where I have to put it at this point.

Rakulp
"Honor Above All"

[ST:E]

I think i'd chose none of those to describe Star Trek but here is my opinion:

Paramount put advertising for "Star Trek" into overdrive with posters going up all over the world. New posters featuring the new crew of the Enterprise go up and suggest a more action hero captain especially to entice new, younger and more mainstream audience. emphasis on the new Kirk and Spock in advertising. Burger King offer tie-in movie toys.

New Star Trek branded website launches, includes all Star Trek incarnations however makes the new movie its priority. Other shows have links that open new websites that have their own forum's, information on episodes/films. all set out in an exciting and child friendly way using a similar format to StarWars.com. Site set out like a journey through space; chose your side, Alien race (Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Andorian, Vulcan) or Starfleet: as you travel through space as the Enterprise 1701 from the movie (or if you chose enemy ship) click different planets and it will show you the race that occupies the planet, info on that race, its ships, its threat, pass different ships within the Trek universe and it will show you specifications on that ship and its crew as well as video's on its construction. Engage enemy's like the Romulans by clicking fire! - includes exclusive news reports, games, pictures, video's, Production photos, forums, shop and links to the most popular Star Trek fan sites including: Trekunited.com, Trekmovie.com, Trekweb.com all set on different planets throughout the website.

JJ Abrams and co. release an epic $150 million dollar blockbuster on the 4th July 2009 - Biggest opening weekend of all time, a more action-packed adventure film however remains faithful to the concept Roddenberry had for the show. depicts a realistic future but very much gets back to the waggon train to the stars pitch, with the characteristics of the main cast remaining faithful to the originals however updated to suit a 21st century audience.

Movie does very well indeed, smashing all previous Star Trek's and beating Transformers July 4th 2007 opening figures, "Star Trek" relaunches franchise and sequel in the works for a 2011/2012 release - so far biggest movie of 2009 - No new live action TV show in works, Paramount/CBS focused on Movies for the foreseeable future. JJ Abrams committed to Star Trek property for 2 more films at least along with main cast.

Paramount/CBS with Bad Robot develop "Star Trek" animated series - George Lucas helps due to Star Wars: The Clone Wars success. ILM involved.

EA Games develops New Star Trek game based on new Movie/franchise for PS3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and PC. Playmates continue to expand their new line of Star Trek figures competing with such marketing as Hasbro's Star Wars. Lego are added to the growing list of licensees for "Star Trek" producing similar products for Star Trek as they do Star Wars. NECA gets "Star Trek: The Movie" rights to produce collectable figures, Diamond Select Toys continue to produce collectable figures based on Star Trek properties from TOS - ENT however get the rights to the new Movie Enterprise and ships - releasing the electronic Enterprise and Romulan ships in the winter of 2009/ Jan 2010. Corgi release miniature die-cast ships for ALL series and films with Master Replica's releasing high end replica ships and props from ALL Star Trek series and films including new movie.

Fan-base becomes less branded to the name Trekkers/Trekkies and size/numbers of the fanatical side of the fan-base remains steady however Star Trek becomes a more broad, mainstream brand name enticing the younger generation of kids as well as an adult generation - marketed to suit both audiences rather than the niche market it served prior to "Star Trek's" launch.

Star Trek has awards event, inviting fans to join each captain from all incarnations along with the crews of each, as well as the creative people behind Star Trek's 40 odd years to celebrate Star Trek so far with awards for the best of Star Trek's long history.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

Rakulp, on Feb 17 2008, 03:39 AM, said:

Greetings,

Movie does as expected, sequal could be made, franchise stays about where it is.

That should be considered a preliminary vote and subject to change...but based on the lack of information we have so far, that's where I have to put it at this point.

Couldn't have put it better myself and it looks like I've voted with the majority so far.

[ST:E]

^ Actually the majority seems to be in favor of the first option.

This post has been edited by ST:E: 17 February 2008 - 07:04 AM

[dominion_ruler]

ST:E, on Feb 17 2008, 05:41 AM, said:

I think i'd chose none of those to describe Star Trek but here is my opinion:

Paramount put advertising for "Star Trek" into overdrive with posters going up all over the world. New posters featuring the new crew of the Enterprise go up and suggest a more action hero captain especially to entice new, younger and more mainstream audience. emphasis on the new Kirk and Spock in advertising. Burger King offer tie-in movie toys.

New Star Trek branded website launches, includes all Star Trek incarnations however makes the new movie its priority. Other shows have links that open new websites that have their own forum's, information on episodes/films. all set out in an exciting and child friendly way using a similar format to StarWars.com. Site set out like a journey through space; chose your side, Alien race (Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Andorian, Vulcan) or Starfleet: as you travel through space as the Enterprise 1701 from the movie (or if you chose enemy ship) click different planets and it will show you the race that occupies the planet, info on that race, its ships, its threat, pass different ships within the Trek universe and it will show you specifications on that ship and its crew as well as video's on its construction. Engage enemy's like the Romulans by clicking fire! - includes exclusive news reports, games, pictures, video's, Production photos, forums, shop and links to the most popular Star Trek fan sites including: Trekunited.com, Trekmovie.com, Trekweb.com all set on different planets throughout the website.

JJ Abrams and co. release an epic $150 million dollar blockbuster on the 4th July 2009 - Biggest opening weekend of all time, a more action-packed adventure film however remains faithful to the concept Roddenberry had for the show. depicts a realistic future but very much gets back to the waggon train to the stars pitch, with the characteristics of the main cast remaining faithful to the originals however updated to suit a 21st century audience.

Movie does very well indeed, smashing all previous Star Trek's and beating Transformers July 4th 2007 opening figures, "Star Trek" relaunches franchise and sequel in the works for a 2011/2012 release - so far biggest movie of 2009 - No new live action TV show in works, Paramount/CBS focused on Movies for the foreseeable future. JJ Abrams committed to Star Trek property for 2 more films at least along with main cast.

Paramount/CBS with Bad Robot develop "Star Trek" animated series - George Lucas helps due to Star Wars: The Clone Wars success. ILM involved.

EA Games develops New Star Trek game based on new Movie/franchise for PS3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii and PC. Playmates continue to expand their new line of Star Trek figures competing with such marketing as Hasbro's Star Wars. Lego are added to the growing list of licensees for "Star Trek" producing similar products for Star Trek as they do Star Wars. NECA gets "Star Trek: The Movie" rights to produce collectable figures, Diamond Select Toys continue to produce collectable figures based on Star Trek properties from TOS - ENT however get the rights to the new Movie Enterprise and ships - releasing the electronic Enterprise and Romulan ships in the winter of 2009/ Jan 2010. Corgi release miniature die-cast ships for ALL series and films with Master Replica's releasing high end replica ships and props from ALL Star Trek series and films including new movie.

Fan-base becomes less branded to the name Trekkers/Trekkies and size/numbers of the fanatical side of the fan-base remains steady however Star Trek becomes a more broad, mainstream brand name enticing the younger generation of kids as well as an adult generation - marketed to suit both audiences rather than the niche market it served prior to "Star Trek's" launch.

Star Trek has awards event, inviting fans to join each captain from all incarnations along with the crews of each, as well as the creative people behind Star Trek's 40 odd years to celebrate Star Trek so far with awards for the best of Star Trek's long history.

So, did you vote for #1?

[ST:E]

^ nope, i don't think Star Trek would be all that good on TV at the moment because i think CBS isn't all that lol - Paramount seem to be going in the right direction where as CBS is still managed by the retard that canceled Enterprise.

If it were up to me, i'd get Bad Robot to buy CBS's half of Star Trek.

[JulesLuvsShinzon]

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^ Actually the majority seems to be in favor of the first option.

Actually, when I cast my vote, the middle one was the most popular option, otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment.

This post has been edited by JulesLuvsShinzon: 17 February 2008 - 12:51 PM

[Melvin]

ST:E, on Feb 17 2008, 06:41 AM, said:

Paramount put advertising for "Star Trek" into overdrive with posters going up all over the world. New posters featuring the new crew of the Enterprise go up and suggest a more action hero captain especially to entice new, younger and more mainstream audience. emphasis on the new Kirk and Spock in advertising. Burger King offer tie-in movie toys.

Have you seen the PR for the movie? Practically non-existent. And shouldn't we be trying to stay away from attracting the young people? Sure, they provide fuel for the fire, but I don't want to risk making Star Trek any less cerebral than it has been. The most fun (and the lines I actually remember) from movies like Insurrection and certain episodes have been spouting the tech-laden exclamations from the crew. Kids won't jive to that.

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New Star Trek branded website launches, includes all Star Trek incarnations however makes the new movie its priority. Other shows have links that open new websites that have their own forum's, information on episodes/films. all set out in an exciting and child friendly way using a similar format to StarWars.com. Site set out like a journey through space; chose your side, Alien race (Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Andorian, Vulcan) or Starfleet: as you travel through space as the Enterprise 1701 from the movie (or if you chose enemy ship) click different planets and it will show you the race that occupies the planet, info on that race, its ships, its threat, pass different ships within the Trek universe and it will show you specifications on that ship and its crew as well as video's on its construction. Engage enemy's like the Romulans by clicking fire! - includes exclusive news reports, games, pictures, video's, Production photos, forums, shop and links to the most popular Star Trek fan sites including: Trekunited.com, Trekmovie.com, Trekweb.com all set on different planets throughout the website.

1. Andorians and Vulcans are part of Starfleet.
2. That just sounds like a lame java-based edutainment game; only instead of edutainment about history or politics, it's about a fictional universe. I can't see where many non-Trek fans bite. Hell, I can't see where many Trek fans bite, considering the easy access and decided less cheese of websites like Memory Alpha.

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JJ Abrams and co. release an epic $150 million dollar blockbuster on the 4th July 2009 - Biggest opening weekend of all time, a more action-packed adventure film however remains faithful to the concept Roddenberry had for the show. depicts a realistic future but very much gets back to the waggon train to the stars pitch, with the characteristics of the main cast remaining faithful to the originals however updated to suit a 21st century audience.

You, my friend, have just defined my every hope and dream. Now, knowing how easy it is to live up to the goals of Trek fans, how realistic do you think that prediction is?

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Paramount/CBS with Bad Robot develop "Star Trek" animated series - George Lucas helps due to Star Wars: The Clone Wars success. ILM involved.

Why Lucas? Seems like you're just trying to get a name involved, which is a bad thing. People will see it because of their Lucas-inspired ideas of Star Wars, and they'll find Star Trek - something completely different.

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Fan-base becomes less branded to the name Trekkers/Trekkies and size/numbers of the fanatical side of the fan-base remains steady however Star Trek becomes a more broad, mainstream brand name enticing the younger generation of kids as well as an adult generation - marketed to suit both audiences rather than the niche market it served prior to "Star Trek's" launch.

How do you propose this happens? You've stated an end - market to hardcore and moderate audiences - but what are the means? And if you're not marketing to the hardcore, what happens to them? They get to see their most beloved franchise become something different, to become less cerebral and more pandering, to become less esoteric and become more plain. They get to watch as their franchise betrays them for a new, younger audience, and all the while they've really appreciated Trek for what it is.

[ST:E]

^ Its wishful thinking more than reality

[Captain_Hair]

ST:E, on Feb 17 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

^ nope, i don't think Star Trek would be all that good on TV at the moment because i think CBS isn't all that lol - Paramount seem to be going in the right direction where as CBS is still managed by the retard that canceled Enterprise.

If it were up to me, i'd get Bad Robot to buy CBS's half of Star Trek.

Except that CBS is all that. They've got the highest rated/most watched shows on American television. CSI, NCIS, Without a Trace, Survivor, Criminal Minds, Two and a Half Men, CSI: Miami, CSI: NY, et al. CBS is consistently the most-watched network, even without American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.

[Melvin]

^ I can count on one hand the shows on CBS that I watch. And that hand doesn't need fingers.

[Captain_Hair]

Melvin, on Feb 17 2008, 11:54 PM, said:

^ I can count on one hand the shows on CBS that I watch. And that hand doesn't need fingers.

I didn't say that any of them were neccesarily good, but just because you don't like them doesn't mean that an apparantly broad swath of Americans don't like them either.

[dominion_ruler]

ST:E, on Feb 17 2008, 09:08 AM, said:

^ nope, i don't think Star Trek would be all that good on TV at the moment because i think CBS isn't all that lol - Paramount seem to be going in the right direction where as CBS is still managed by the retard that canceled Enterprise.

If it were up to me, i'd get Bad Robot to buy CBS's half of Star Trek.

Chances are if the movie suceeds, more movies will follow and the likelyness of a tv series returning is thin...however, one can't help but give it some serious thought, especially if this movie blows away all expectations for the better. Though some may feel Trek was falling downhill on the tube after TNG, it still easily suceeds as arguably the mst successful fanchise on the tube....and Berman wouldn't be in charge of a new series either. As far as getting it onto a proper network, box office $$$ speaks loudly if the numbers are right.

[ST:E]

I think if they want to return Star Trek to TV it should be as a cartoon THEN as a live action show - all they have to do is not flood the market with a lot of shows all at once as once they did with TNG, DS9 and Voyager as well as Generations all playing at the same time.

[Radardog]

No matter how good the film is, it will likely do as well as could be expected, it might generate a sequel, and the world will go on with only a main Star Trek fan base keeping it alive.

That's exactly why I think it's ridiculous to put so much energy into redoing Star Trek.

[ensign edwards]

I voted for the middle option, however I should say that while I think the majority of the fanbase will accept (if not love) it, I have serious doubts that it could be a business success. It's gonna need to be huge to justify the budget and allow for sequels, and I don't see what's different about this movie that will bring in the numbers they'll need.

[Melvin]

Captain_Hair, on Feb 18 2008, 01:11 AM, said:

I didn't say that any of them were neccesarily good, but just because you don't like them doesn't mean that an apparantly broad swath of Americans don't like them either.

I didnt say that wasn't the case, just commenting. As always, I think people just need better taste