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#1 JulesLuvsShinzon

 

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 04:48 AM

As I'm still cruising through the first season of TOS on DVD, I keep on seeing traces of things that were to come much later on.

Last night we watched Return of the Archons and I was really struck that the concept of an all-seeing collective mind prescided over by a computer is very similar to the "hive mind",and the fact that nobody attacked unless they were directly under threat is very Borg-like? Anyone agree?

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Posted 17 August 2007 - 01:27 PM

I've thought that too. I love that freaking episode also. I want a bumper sticker that says "Landru: are you of the Body?" :lol:
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Posted 18 August 2007 - 08:39 PM

...you mean except for orgie time? Sort of. :D

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 01:16 AM

...you mean except for orgie time? Sort of. :D


oh I forgot about that! that's like the most fantastic part of that episode.
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Posted 20 August 2007 - 12:35 PM

I never noticed that about Landru and the Borg before. I think you may be onto something. ;)

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Posted 20 August 2007 - 05:03 PM

yeah i happened to catch that episode on tv a few months ago and was thinking the same thing about similarities with the Borg. well, there's rarely anything like a truly original idea anymore... or at least, "Original" ideas are for the young (who haven't seen the REAL original stuff yet...). :lol:

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Posted 21 August 2007 - 06:56 AM

I thought the same thing about the Borg and Landru when I saw this episode. :)
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Posted 21 August 2007 - 10:41 AM

Landru as a Borg prototype - hmmmm interesting concept. According one of Shat's Trek novels, V'ger was the prototype for the Borg after it became one with its creator (Commander Will Decker). Spock came to realize that before this mingling of man with machine took place, all the Borg were machines from the Machine Planet seeking perfection, which they then believed could be attained through assimilation after touching the soul of Decker - the very thing any machine lacks. Over the next century their quest became a perverted obession so that by the TNG era, they were an evil force to be reckoned with and one that had lost its true identity and purpose.
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 01:48 AM

^^^That's interesting, although with V'ger, it was the fusing of a single machine with a single (human) mind, and I saw V'ger as essentially benign. For me, it's too huge a leap from that to an entire race of creatures agressively seeking to assimilate entire cultures. The Landru "Body" seems much closer to the Borg hive mind. :)

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Posted 29 August 2007 - 12:19 AM

yeah an v'ger came from that stupid Nomad probe, aka, most idiotic episode ever. :lol: excuse me mr. spock, since when can you mind meld with the most pointless good for nothing machine of my life?
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Posted 30 August 2007 - 09:22 PM

Hey, it made sparklers. pretty.

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 05:33 PM

As I'm still cruising through the first season of TOS on DVD, I keep on seeing traces of things that were to come much later on.

Last night we watched Return of the Archons and I was really struck that the concept of an all-seeing collective mind prescided over by a computer is very similar to the "hive mind",and the fact that nobody attacked unless they were directly under threat is very Borg-like? Anyone agree?

I do. So Landru is like the Borg queen.

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Posted 18 July 2011 - 08:11 AM

I don't really agree. I felt There are certainly similarities but it wasn't the only time Kirk killed a master computer that controlled the bodies if not the minds of people.

Another take on the concept is the Binars/Binyaari in TNG. Always come in twos with direct links to their computer core, and rebooting that makes them all unconscious. They're almost as dependent on their computer as Borg drones are on their implants.


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